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bunghole with laser busted
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I wish someone would arrest the assclown south of KNIP that continues to lase people in the GCA pattern.
Your safety office should be on top of that and working with the wing whenever you report the incident - if it's continually happening and nothing is being done, sounds HAZREP worthy to me, which with the right addressees and buzzwords ("safety of flight," "critical risk") should garner attention at higher levels. In the meantime, here's the FAA report form and an FAA laser safety brochure.
My safety office is a stinky hinge who owns this website. I want them to bust the guy so he will stop clogging up my inbox with HAZREPs and how we need to fill out more ASAP reports about this NTAC. They're all over it. I'm sure sooner or later he'll laze the wrong person at the wrong time and the police will catch him in the act.
You guys still use ASAP? We abandoned that all together more than a year ago. It IS good to see our LE brothers using their technology to get these A-holes off the street.
Brett
Yea. ASAP is much mo bettah now. Takes two seconds after sharp to say no incident occurred instead of the 10 minutes battling with it before. It'd be a better system if it was only required when an incident occurs, but then what would the whiz kids be able to point to and say "look! Our zero tolerance crackdown is working!"
Curious if there could be some possible legal tangles if someone were arrested as a result of ISR capabilities of a military asset in the US. I suppose you could argue that the military aircraft was just reporting a crime observed incidental to a normal training flight.
Brett
Brett
Was wondering the same thing myself. We have to be careful what we record on training flights.
phrogpilot73
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I'd be willing to bet that Posse Comitas (what you're clearly alluding to) wouldn't be a factor, since they weren't actually doing the law enforcement piece... During TRUEX, a mixed section of skids stumbled upon a bunch of drug deals going down... Because cops were securing LZs and what not for the assault support guys, we were able to call them and tell them about it. The perps were arrested - and we never heard anything about it...
Certainly Posse Comitatus applies to the actual LE element involved, but there are also restrictions (some modified by PATRIOT Act) on what kinds of surveillance can be done on US citizens by the military and organizations in the IC in general. I'm not sure where the legal line lies, but I would want to have detailed knowledges of the legalities involved if my aircraft's capabilities could, intentionally or unintentionally, venture into that realm.
Brett
Brett
It's an interesting issue for sure. Back in the late 80's there was some nut spotlighting jets in the FCLP pattern at Coupeville. It didn't happen a lot but enough that it was a pain. Finally they set him up with an A-6 in low holding with lights off and with a B/N with bino's and a couple in the pattern. They were able to narrow it down quickly and the local cops got him. The FBI had a discussion with him and there were no problems after that.
How far the line between a military aircraft w/ FLIR and a B/N with bino's I wonder?
Should just be allowed to lase them back. Good luck shining your laser pointer when you're blind.