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Burning questions about OCS, flight school and Navy life

smittyrunr

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
From both the deployed and the one at home point of view, setting a schedule is a bad idea... much nicer to to be surprised by the occasional phone call. As far as regulations on number of times you can call, if you find yourself lucky enough to deploy somewhere hot and sandy off the boat, Army/Air Force MWR call centers in some locations do limit your time and/or number of times per week. (ie 2, 15-min phone calls each week). As said above, there are ways around this, but don't abuse it.
 

Clux4

Banned
I've had EP-3 IPs down here tell me their marriage fell apart because they couldn't call home very often due to the sensitive nature of whatever they were doing, and the wife didn't understand why

If the marriage was going to fall apart, going on a cruise just made it quicker.

For the younger Marine/Sailor that got married a week before setting out to sea, the constant phone call/email is trouble. A friend of a friend tells them their new bride is being a barracks rat and now they want to kill themselves. They start feeling homesick and go down hill from there. What you don't know would not hurt you.

I was having this same conversation with someone recently and we talked about the positives and negatives of improved communication during deployments. It has its good and bad. I guess being moderate is key.
 

Sky-Pig

Retired Cryptologic Warfare / Naval Flight Officer
None
Bull......shit.

I don't know, Flash, sometimes it was hard to figure out how to place the call on those crazy Euro or Japanese telephone systems so I could blab state secrets to my better half when I was all liquored up (again) while on detachment.:icon_wink

I almost never use IM speak, but I literally did LOL at that part.

To the OP...not that it matters, but I've deployed to every VQ det site (save one...and they stay at a 4 star hotel on the beach there) and I never had any trouble finding a phone if I looked hard enough.

However, you are normally 12 time zones removed from your snuggle bunny...and that can complicate things. In the end, however, it all came down to how motivated you were to call.

I agree with the others that e-mail and snail mail are sometimes better alternatives...my wife didn't always want to hear me all chipper and happy right after she had just put the kiddos to bed after a long day. And sometimes...vice versa.

Figure out what works for you and your SO and keep doing it.
 

Uncle Fester

Robot Pimp
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
+1 on not being the guy who abuses the POTS line. Shitty for several reasons:
1. Most of the CVNs, several ready rooms will share one outgoing line. So you're probably pissing off several people who are trying to get ahold of the beach det or some other actual business.
2. The wives talk a LOT, especially when they haven't heard from you in a while. They try to figure out if comms are down, or there's some sort of EMCON set or whatever. When one wife tells the others, "Joe says he can't call? That's weird - Mike calls me every single night," then you just fucked your buddies because now their wives think their husbands just don't want to talk.
(NB - if comms are expected to be down for an extended time, for whatever reason, the Skipper/XO/CMC will try and get word back to the beach through their Senior Dude methods, so the wives don't freak out and OPSEC is maintained)
 

atrickpay

BDCP SNA
Good question sonicboom, I was wondering the same thing. I appreciate the answers, but I figure i'll toss in another question on the same subject.

Do you bring your own laptops on the boat or use a computer that's already setup somewhere? Also, when the internet is available, are you restricted to .mil, email only, or can you actually browse the web? Also, I think I saw on the Carrier show that the officers were playing Xbox. Are they pretty lenient to what you do/bring to do when you're not working (however little time that may be). Feel free to move this to stupid questions, thanks again.
 

scoolbubba

Brett327 gargles ballsacks
pilot
Contributor
If the marriage was going to fall apart, going on a cruise just made it quicker.

The replies to this anecdote were spot on. The phrasing could have been better; the marriage, according to this guy, was doomed because she didn't understand military obligations. Those obligations (not being able to call every night, being away) helped the marriage along its way to the inevitable divorce.
 

Twitterpate03

Personnel Specialist
Also, frequently calling the wife/family makes it more difficult when you're unable to call due to operational obligations.

Edit: while i'm on this soap box...

As an officer you'll likely have more access to phones, be it aboard ship or at some det site in the middle of nowhere. Having access to a DSN line can get you hooked up with one of any number of morale switches, which allow you to call home for free (or very little). Just because you have access to those phones doesn't make it right for you to use them for personal calls. That's bad leadership at the very least, and fraud, waste, and abuse at the worst. Either way - not good conduct for an officer.


+1

I would like to elaborate a little on this very topic...During my last deployment, my husband was actively part of the 'wives club' in our local area as we were deployed as a large group.

The phones and internet, even though I was on land, were constantly in a state of hit or miss. Not to mention the times we were simply 'cut-off' from the outside world due to operations, etc.

So I called him bout 2x a week if I was lucky. And got attitude quite often it seemed because I didn't call more often, or last night, or we lost the call and couldn't reconnect. Meanwhile, everytime he was with the 'wives' it seemed as if they spoke to thier husbands on a daily basis and emailed even more.

So here I am trying to explain to him that all of his O5 and O6 'wives' obviously had more ability to communicate with their SO's than I did as a E4. And it was true!! There was a period of 3 days that 'we' as in 'the camp' had no internet and outside calls were blocked. Yet don't you know, after I talk to him he says, well so and so's wife said, such and such, when she talked to him yesterday! That was very frustrating to me. Don't get me wrong, I understand that senior leadership will have and probably must have the accesses that a lone Petty Officer does not need. THAT I don't have a problem with.

What I had a problem with was trying to get DH to believe me when I said I couldn't call, or we had no comms....

Frustrating! Especially since others in the same place I was, were getting through.

Ok, sorry. Rant over. :)

Overall, I agree calls, etc should not be daily too.
 

navy09

Registered User
None
Do you bring your own laptops on the boat or use a computer that's already setup somewhere? Also, when the internet is available, are you restricted to .mil, email only, or can you actually browse the web? Also, I think I saw on the Carrier show that the officers were playing Xbox. Are they pretty lenient to what you do/bring to do when you're not working (however little time that may be). Feel free to move this to stupid questions, thanks again.

Let me try to answer some with my limited experience...

You can bring a laptop to play games or watch movies, but you can't hook it up to any server to get online. You can use ship's computers (on a CG, each O stateroom has one) to browse online- and if you're used to high speed access, you're in for a shock. Some sites are blocked for OPSEC reasons (facebook, myspace, hotmail, gmail). The idea is that you should only be emailing/communicating using your navy email account.

I saw gaming systems set up in staterooms. I was on a SWO cruise and spending a lot of time in the room gaming was kind of taboo for the non-qual O1s. This is probably different for an O3 pilot (though the ones on the ship I was on were extremely busy).
 

Picaroon

Helos
pilot
So talking every night via this POTS line would be impossible I take it.

Ps. What do the acronyms POTS, CVN, COD, VQ mean? Is there a site or a thread on AW that explains all of the acronyms you guys regularly use. That would be preferable to constantly asking "what does this or that mean?".

Thanks
Here's a link to a cool site that has all that info available
 

ea6bflyr

Working Class Bum
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
While you can not hook up your personal laptop to the ship's servers, you can bring your own router and hook up lots of laptops or XBOXs or PS2-3s to create your own private gaming network. This works well on no-fly days to blow off some steam. HALO3 anyone?

Quite a few folks brought laptops and game stations. Laptops are useful while in port at the hotel for email, chat, skype, looking up places to eat, etc. Just make sure you bring an international power cord adapter.

Back on topic: POTS line policies will be driven by the Ship's CO and Air Wing/Squadron Commander. DON'T ABUSE the privilege!

-ea6bflyr ;)
 

propwife

Witty User Title Goes Here
**** .. sheesh this is long.. no time to edit. Sorry guys!

My husband completed 6 deployments (two on board a carrier). Likely will be leaving for #7 this Summer. While on the carrier, we averaged 1 lengthy call per port visit and maybe 1 quick call on the pay phone while on board. Emails were primarily 1 liner replies from him. I wrote him daily, however, didn't expect a reply. He, typically, worked nights on the flight deck.. and his workcenter had 8 people for one computer. Nothing like reading emails from your wife with 7 pairs of eyes on your monitor.. So, I tended to do the good old fashioned letter mailing for the mushy 'love you's' and kept the emails to pictures of the kids, yada yada..

We both agreed that we'd rather see the first time cruisers and those with issues back home get the time in for communication. Honestly, his first two deployments were before we even had internet, so the times of 'SAM' mail and ship to shore type calling have not completely escaped our memory. The technology and connectivity is a wonderful thing.. However, with all advancements come the downside..

While volunteering as Ombudsman, my personal analysis and observation was that the most balanced spouses and service members (particularly the younger ones starting out with this journey) were the ones that received calls 1-2 times every few weeks and a few short emails per week. They were the spouses that were able to grow wings, develop a normal cycle of deployment where they. The periodic connectivity seemed to be enough to keep the service member mission focused yet still involved with their families back home. Friends whose sailors have been in the service much longer than mine agreed that they saw negative patterns and expectations increase, as accessibility grew due to the internet and phone access.

What I found developing was spouses who rarely left the home, hinging on a reply from their significant other.. or waiting by the phone. It becomes obsessive in nature.. (trust me, I've received the middle of the night calls and emails from spouses .. it. becomes. obsessive.) Sailors then also had the pressures of foregoing sleep or chow line to stand in line at the pay phone (or worse sneak in a POTS call). I had many discussions with our CMC, and this was an ongoing concern. Being on the receiving end of the line, with calls from spouses who hadn't heard from their sailor since 'this morning' .. that's an issue, clearly. If it hasn't even been the duration of a regular working shift when the guys are back on the beach, and you're already calling an Ombudsman for a health and welfare type check with the command while they're deployed - you've gotta get a grip! (And vice versa, as there were sailors that were also obsessive with constant communication.. disappearing off the flight deck to go into the work centers to check email for the 8th time that day, when there's no major issues going on within the household). Those that are allowed to experience their deployment or independence back on the beach are the ones that tended to be the most adjusted.

With that said, there's no 'right or wrong' in it, if you correspond more or less.
Not an absolute for all families.. just my observations and thoughts on communication and the effects on the marital couple during deployment.

We all want to hear from our service members. If you and your loved one are confident and have trust in your relationship.. honestly, share expectations and have a mutual understanding of limitations. Ship email does go down.. You will have times when you're too tired to stand in line to call. Jane Smith's husband may use that POTS line.. but perhaps your command or ship forbids it. If you're spouse puts the pressure on you, explain to them that she may hear of things being done that aren't permitted. It happens.. If it helps, deploy with pre-addressed envelopes and cards where you can jot a few lines down and throw it in one of the ship mailboxes to fill in the gaps with email and phone. If you have children, leave with sheets of stickers, book marks with their favorite characters... anything that can be simply slipped in an envelope and mailed. There's nothing better than seeing the joy on a child's face, when they open the mailbox and see a letter from their deployed parent. Even my husband's chicken scratch 'I love you's' are the best kept things in my dresser..

By the way... Uncle Fester nailed it right on the head with #2! Including regarding downed email due to OSPEC issues. Commands are very good with disseminating down to Ombudsmen and/or OSC/FSG's to update families that all is well, when email/phone is down or blocked.

atrick - my husband brings his laptop and iPod with him everywhere. When he was much younger, he brought handheld game systems. He also donated a TV and Microwave to the squadron. Others can clarify any restrictions, but I do know any/everything that was plugged in came back with inspection stickers.

Do not abuse POTS line. I had a spouse bypass me and emailed my POC direct while deployed that she had not heard from her spouse in a few days (by phone). He emailed me.. we figured out with the patterns and my POC checking with his department that the guy was coming down from the flight deck every night to use POTS line. Big trouble for the guy and his supervisor that was doing the same.
 

HeloBubba

SH-2F AW
Contributor
I'll agree with Master's comment, though talking with the family once a week would have been a luxury 10 years ago.

During my deployment in 1985, I checked in with the family 3 times via telephone (twice from Hawaii, once from DG). The rest was snail mail. Which worked out to getting a letter once every 7 to 10 days.
 

bunk22

Super *********
pilot
Super Moderator
As a COD guy, every day if I wanted. We also had a POTS line in our ready room on every cruise. On shore, had my own cell phone, hotel room phone and access to the internet. It was all good.
 

phrogpilot73

Well-Known Member
What happens when the ship shuts the phones & internet off for a week....
Switch to communicating via SIPR because your wife is on deployment? Or is that just me... ;)

For the record - I emailed PSW once or twice a day, and limited calling to about once a week. I also tried to do a mix of POTS/Sailor Phones so that I didn't tie up the POTS line but once every 2 weeks. She was in Baghdad so sometimes that comm issues were on her end, not mine.
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
from what I gather, at least one phone conversation per week.!

NO NO AND FUCKING NO!

Once a week if you are LUCKY. She needs to be able to operate without you, and vice versa.

As someone who has been there, and dealt with that, you are setting yourself up for failure and ass-pain in so many ways you haven't even thought of yet if you "expect" that.

And if you are a guy who cuts out of work, blows off shit just to get your money spender on the phone, you WILL piss off the other guys who don't and then catch grief from their wives about "Well LTJG Sonicboom calls his wife every night/week/whatever! Howcome YOU don't!!! Don't you LOVE me???!!?? WWAAAAHHHHH!"

We had a guy who would have what would best be describes as "Chat via email" with his wife and kids. Every fucking night. Hogged the computer in our stateroom. Would skip dinner to get on it. His wife would brag about how "Dave" "Chats" every night with her. My wife, and the other 3 roomates wives/girlfriends got PISSED at us (this wasn't just the Manatee being a bitch) at us because WE did not chat with THEM.

You can tell them "Dave" hogs the computer. They won't care. All they know is "Sheila" is getting to "talk" to Dave and they aren't getting the same. They will be pissed, and take it out on their husbands/boyfriends. Which got us all pissed at "Dave".
 
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