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Cold War revisited

zipmartin

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During a NATO exercise in Oct. '80, CVN-68 was kept a huge distance from the "front lines" so the powers that be came up with a plan to put KC-135's between the ship and the CAP stations and use several tanker-configured A-7's as well as KA-6's to shuttle gas from the 135's out to the fighters on station so they could loiter there forever if need be. One day I was doing the gas shuttle and the 135 wasn't there but an RAF Handley Page Victor was. He was raging around at 350 kias at 20K'. I couldn't catch him with a drop tank and a buddy store hanging under the wing, so I had to ask him to slow down. Besides, we had an airspeed limitation far below 350 to extend the probe.

Another day myself, an A-7 from our sister squadron VA-82, and an A-6 from VA-35 got to fly low-levels all over Scotland, land at RAF Lossiemouth to get gas and test to make sure all their fueling and support equipment was totally compatible with our a/c, have lunch at their mess, and RTB to the ship after flying more low-levels around Scotland. Lossiemouth was basically at the north east end of Loch Ness so we flew the length of the loch at 75-100' looking for Nessie. We also did close air support in Norway for a couple of days. It was a fun month of flying.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
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Why would anyone want to play a 2 hour long, poorly-rendered video game of SWO life?
It was excellently rendered in 1988. :D

And I don't know how accurate a depiction of SWO life it was- no eight o'clock reports, no firefighting drills, no blue routing folders full of whatever administrivia paperwork. As far as the C64 version I definitely can say there was nothing in the game about briefing the XO on dental readiness.
 

Notanaviator

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All this has me thinking I’d pay a good amount of money to underwrite a Cold War Stories/Pics book in the style of the Tomcat book... just saying...
 

nittany03

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At this time, my Skipper was a RIO and so was the sister squadron CO. The skipper of USS America was an A-6E BN as was the CARGRU Commander. Only our CAG was a pilot. The E-2C skipper was also an NFO as was skipper of Prowler squadron so backseaters were represented in command structure and had quite a bit of say in cockpit. I was the Mission Commander on this one. I did not have to tell Chuck I would take the heat for arriving back at carrier below Bingo, but unless I violated safety of flight, it was my call. But I explained my reasoning and Chuck agreed. It played out well in the end and we were invited to meet SecNav, VADM Mustin and the other notables that night. We brought along an enlarged picture of the Grozny that was over 3 feet long. We had flown over 1200nm and logged almost 6 hours in the air, my longest time in the cockpit to date.

So....The ending bears mentioning....we got on our Bingo profile flying over the UK as the RAF Liaison advised me was possible. The Freqs he gave me worked perfectly and we were cleared VFR direct to Lossiemouth. We didn’t have a Govt Credit Card but figured we could bluff our way through the admin side without shutting down or having to get out of aircraft. After a nice scenic trip northwards across the UK, we arrived over the RAF base at Lossiemouth and started orbiting while we attempted to raise the E-2C to see if any gas was available. We weren’t too far below ladder but would have to know exactly where the ship was and recover immediately without getting some more fuel. We made a few calls and circuits over the coast not wanting proceed without positive comms. Then we heard a radio call very weak calling us....it was a Blue Blaster Tanker from VA-34 looking for us! Huzzah!! The ship anticipated our fuel state and sent a KA-6D towards where they thought we would be!!

We felt safe to head feet wet and were shortly thereafter taking on fuel...a lot more than expected. Then the E~2C established comms asking us to report complete and to say weapons status....weapons status?? We realized that we had been gone so long that we were now in the window for NATO to attack the carrier and they must need us to fill a CAP station. We were given a station on the 200nm outer ring but we were so far East that we had to fly West to get there but it was in direction of the ship so we expected to get recalled after we passed the Codeword for Mission Success to the E2C.

Meanwhile, we took up a heading to our assigned station. I immediately picked up multiple contacts heading towards the ship. It was the NATO attack force assembling and we had stumbled on a Victor Tanker refueling 4 Phantoms. I reported that to the E-2C who told us Warning Red, Weapons Free. That surprised us but we complied and jumped the gaggle ruining their day considerably coming up behind them scattering them like quail. This was getting fun. Then I visually spotted a special mission C-135 emulating a Soviet snooper and we were cleared hot on that one. We were now running low on our constructive loadout but we had a gun. Next, I spotted a NRL EP-3 below us and got clearance to engage as well. I called Winchester after that and got signal to RTB, but we encountered one more juicy target. A USAF RF-4C in green camo appeared below us moving fast. We had gas to burn so we slid into a six o’clock position and started gaining on it. I waited to lock him up until we were within guns range. When I locked into to him, he executed a break turn to the left allowing us to saddle onto him nicely. We joined up on the Phantom and showed him our camera pod with a belly flash. He took up a heading for home. It was finally time to head for home.

Postscript: after debrief in CVIC and looking at hot prints coming out of the processor for our KA-99 film, I stopped into Flag Plot next door to check in with the staff there. I asked them if they were worried about us after being gone so long. The Intel Watch Officer said we knew it was you when the Grozny lit off her fire control radars and the two ships started arguing whether it a Tomcat or not flying overhead. SecNav was most pleased about the confusion we had caused so far from mother.
Fucking hell. That is the essence of tailhook aviation distilled into one launch and recovery.
 

HeyJoe

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Swanee

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Interrupting post just to say that this is a great, old school, really informative airwarriors thread.

I'm learning a lot about some really cool stuff (and I am learning a lot that puts context to stuff I've been a part of).

Please, carry on- we need more stuff like this around here again!
 

Max the Mad Russian

Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
It was the NATO attack force assembling and we had stumbled on a Victor Tanker refueling 4 Phantoms. I reported that to the E-2C who told us Warning Red, Weapons Free. That surprised us but we complied and jumped the gaggle ruining their day considerably coming up behind them scattering them like quail. This was getting fun. ....... but we encountered one more juicy target. A USAF RF-4C in green camo appeared below us moving fast. We had gas to burn so we slid into a six o’clock position and started gaining on it. I waited to lock him up until we were within guns range. When I locked into to him, he executed a break turn to the left allowing us to saddle onto him nicely. We joined up on the Phantom and showed him our camera pod with a belly flash. He took up a heading for home. It was finally time to head for home.

Ahhhhhhhh...... "It's better to have a sister in brothel than a brother in F-... or Ph-" gladly share your fun feeling :D Though Royal Navy had no their Phantom squadrons to that day, suppose many of their 892 Phantom squadron were transferred to RAF Phantom forces in 1979 along with their F-4Ks. Maybe some of them were there in those 4 birds, and they saw F-14As twice before 1978, having them at cross-deck hosting on their old HMS Ark Royal, R09. It is pretty strange as to how the Tomcats were taking off this short carrier given that all RN carrier aircraft used bridles to be cat'ed so the cat's shuttles probably had no gear to hook the Tomcat's cat toe bar up. Yet somehow they had taken off. Free run on a 'burner from the fantail, maybe?



BTW, the rivalry similar to F-4/F-14 had began here when MRA forces were in transit from Badgers to Backfires. Badger crew to Backfire one: "You're nothing more than oversized interceptor unable to turn away of the Moon when on a burner, and when your entire regiment went aloft for training, all the hosting province stops transport, manufacturing and energy generating as you are robbing people of all available fuel. Feedback: having a crew of just 4 instead of 7 to 9 in your case, we leave something to eat to those same civilian people we serve to. Badgers: yeah, but only 2 of your four in a cockpit deserve your ration since there's no difference between Backfire pilot and tram driver: both just run the machine along the straight line, even cavalry horse should think harder than you. Backfires: well, on a straight line in burner we can outran SR-71 (false) and F-14 (true). Badgers: yeah, and when it comes to think for what to do so - you're on fumes, near the opposite end of the ocean, trying to remember why you are there"

Endless military mutual jockes, probably the best thing in any military.
 
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Hair Warrior

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The Freqs he gave me worked perfectly and we were cleared VFR direct to Lossiemouth. We didn’t have a Govt Credit Card but figured we could bluff our way through the admin side without shutting down or having to get out of aircraft.
GREAT thread overall. I’m curious about this aspect. Do you (or anyone) have sea stories about gassing up at a civilian airfield/ overnighting in a location you didn’t plan to be?
 

Max the Mad Russian

Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
Do you (or anyone) have sea stories about gassing up at a civilian airfield/ overnighting in a location you didn’t plan to be?


Pretty sure C-2 people may have a lot of it. But it was always shocking to me when, during first Gulf war, a Marine VA on AV-8B went from Philippines to CONUS with KC-10 support and one Harrier developed issue in getting gas and had been diverted to Midway field, pretty deserted then. Transpac on VSTOL. Like "one (Marine) man lost over great Pacific", as if in James Michener's old book. Wasn't that shorter from there to Persian Gulf to go west?

In Apr 1958 two Badgers tried to land on ice directly over North Pole. One landed safely for meeting with the crew of civilian Il-14 which landed first, then started takeoff but the pilot Col Alehnovich underestimated crosswind and the fact that there was pure ice under the wheels, so Badger drifted to Crate and hit the latter's wing. Result: two broken Soviet airplanes right on North Pole of the planet. And of course, an hour later some USAF recco was there to snap&fun. Russian sources stated that was RB-24, but it's unclear.
 
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Hair Warrior

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one Harrier developed issue in getting gas and had been diverted to Midway field
I imagine that the historical significance would not have been lost on the Marine aviator.
Result: two broken Soviet airplanes right on North Pole of the planet.
Yikes. I assume Russia eventually got them repaired and extracted.

Any other good Russia-in-the-Arctic stories from the Cold War?
 

Max the Mad Russian

Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
Zero fuel Badger's emergency landing on a forgotten strip, fictional, but during filming the real airplane was broken beyond repair. The final phrase of the co-pilot (according to plot - MajGen evaluating the plane commander, mere Maj): "If it's impossible but it's extremely desirable, it's possible". There was this rusty barn alone all over the field, no buildings around. But as we can see, even Badger couldn't turn away from the target, this fuckin' barn this case :D
 
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HeyJoe

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GREAT thread overall. I’m curious about this aspect. Do you (or anyone) have sea stories about gassing up at a civilian airfield/ overnighting in a location you didn’t plan to be?

I am loving the replies especially hearing from the former Soviet Union point of view (thx Max).

My only unexpected RON experiences were Cecil Field and GITMO when the deck got night clobbered and there wasn’t enough gas in the air. Both times were late at night and we pretty much had to fend for ourselves even me getting out and sliding down back
of jet on horizontal stab. Pinning the seats was always fun at night and then making sure we had comms with ship to see when they wanted us back. Then finding someone who knew how to start a Tomcat. We didn’t need a PC but had to have power and external air and somebody who could figure out how to hook it up.

Then there was the last day of Desert Storm. We had received a replacement pilot after one pilot turned in his wings on eve of Shield turning into Storm (said he did not sign up for war...he signed up to build time for airlines). By the time a new guy arrived, it was last week Dof combat so he was flying CAP missions over the Red Sea to get familiar with ops. They called off combat while he was still getting acquainted with things but Skipper wanted to let him at least “poke his nose” in country. The first morning of no combat missions presented an opportunity; the Admiral wanted 2 Tomcats to “boom” Baghdad after seeing a message from Air Force saying they were using F-111s to induce Saddam to cooperate and let POWs know we were thinking of them (similar to Hanoi Hilton overflights).

So there I was in the backseat with the new guy heading to Iraq on the wing of “Bluto” (Andrés Brugal) as the Mission Commander for this escapade. It was ominously quiet on the comm circuits as we tanked over Saudi Arabia off a USAF KC-135. We were the only customers. His technique with the hard basket was a little rough and he had to abort a couple times but we finally got plugged. We departed the tanker track and pointed our noses towards Baghdad. Soon we saw the huge lakes situated to the Northwest and began our descent accelerating to just to just over Mach 1. I knew we were supposedly in a cease fire but hoped they knew that and nobody with an itchy trigger finger wouuld light off a SAM or unleash a torrent of AAA in our direction.

As we descended through 5K at the speed of heatter, we could see the burbs sprawling below us. Suddenly, the AWACS called us and asked our intentions....intentions?!? I wasn’t about to respond in the clear and announce that to the entire Iraqi IADS. So I asked them to go “Green” so we could talk via secure KY-28. Meanwhile we are booming the heck out of the burbs and watching for telltale SAM activity. The AWACS apparently did not have us on their list of ATO missions so wanted us to abort. I told them we were tasked by our Battle Force Commander so we would have to hear it from him. They said standby....standby? We were supersonic going 12 miles a minute over the outskirts of Baghdad!

So I contacted Bluto over our squadron tactical radio suggesting hold over the nearest lake until we sort this out. He agreed and we zoom climbed to 10K over the massive lake that reminded me of Lake Meade in Nevada only I didn’t see any pleasure craft cruising around. We had plenty of gas remaining so we orbited awaiting a response from the AWACS. Normally we had an E-2C running interference for us but not today. As far as we knew it was just us and the AWACS. Then this very old sounding and authoritative voice came up and said “THIS is JERICHO,...your mission is cancelled”. I looked at my list of callsigns and JERICHO wasn’t on it nor had I heard of that codeword. I figured discretion was the better part of valor and rogered his direction guessing he must be an airborne general officer or maybe General Horner himself from sound of his deep voice. Oh well, at least we got the new guy a look at Iraq and he could say he had been to the burbs!

We headed back to the tanker track to take on more gas but when the probe was extended, I noticed the tip was slightly bent and cocked to one side probably from his clumsy attempts earlier. I checked our fuel ladder and we could make it to the Red Sea but didn’t have any extra margin in case the ship wasn’t ready. We were close to the Ar’Ar Special Ops Base near the border that was always briefed as an emergency divert with hot pits for the A-10 Warthogs that staged out of there for RESCAP and CAS mission in support of the multinational SPECOPS Task Force based there. So Bluto held overhead while we dropped in to see about getting some gas....expeditiously.

I cautioned the new guy about landing with carrier pressure tires and applying too much braking pressure thereby creating too much heat and melting the fuse plugs. That would not be good. I still hoped to make our recovery time and having to change a tire would mean a RON most likely....although I heard from a sister squadron pilot who diverted there and had to stay overnight that the SAS contingent had their own beer brewing contraption which produced a nice Lager! So we landed without incident with me advising to use length of runway and to go easy with brakes. That took us past four alert pads that had 2 MH-53J helos staged next to Mil-18 Hips painted like Iraqi helos. We taxied to the fuel pits uneventfully drawing quite a crowd. Guess they didn’t see too many Tomcats and it had been months since our sister squadron had diverted there. We shut down the right engine so they could safely approach the refueling panel.

All went well and we saw the Totalizer begin to show an increase in fuel load. Then they started arm waving and pointing under the aircraft. I could see they were worried about a leak but surmised it was the normal ECS drainage. I told the pilot to kneel the jet and cracked the canopy so I could hand them a kneeboard card. I wrote them a note saying that was normal. They passed around the note and nodded their heads in agreement before turning the flow back on. No sooner than flow had resumed, the sMe guy started pointing somewhere else and they shut off flow. This time it looked like they spotted the Coolanol (used to condition the Phoenix missiles....kinda like antifreeze) vent. Again, I drew a picture with an explanation.

Again, we resumed fueling before an even larger crowd including an absolutely bad ass A-10 that had arrived next to us armed to the teeth including Sidewinder missiles. I was surprised at how tall it was as we were looking directly at each other when we weren’t kneeling to pass notes. The safety observer then stopped the refueling a third time pointing at the main mount this time. I worried about the fuse plug and a possible flat tire but he had spotted another leak of some sort. This time, I wrote “It’s a Navy jet, it is supposed to leak!” They passed around the note and nodded their heads yet again but all laughed. We finally got our gas and did a nice low transition and burner climb in the vertical for the crowd rejoining Bluto who was still orbiting overhead. We raced back to the ship and were having sliders before too long. Never heard anything more about the episode nor did anyone know who JERICHO was, but our Admiral wa happy. That worked for me!
 
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