Conduct Unbecoming (what NOT to do while in a pool at PCola)

[squorch2]

Kind of like someone appears to only be an ENS in NASC but is actually a fully trained Navy JAG and expert on the UCMJ to include Article 88 and professional officership.

Sorry for the threadjack, but...

Fuck this passive/aggressive bullshit with a stick. It takes balls to tell someone senior that they're wrong, even on something as informal as an internet forum. If you have an issue with it, don't hide behind smart comments. Discuss the issue at hand.

 

[Swanee]

Back to the original post... this clown seems pretty guilty. And so do the bird-shooting clowns. How are they still in the Navy?! They just instituted the 5-failure-total rule for us and these guys are on admin hold?! I understand that there are too many JO's in the pipeline. Got it. But how are people in advanced going to FPC/IPC's the month before winging when these guys are still hanging out waiting to start school again?

And you came to this conclusion not because you know any of the parties involved, nor do you have any further information than what has come out on the internet through a single news source and a Naval Aviation forum.

 

[HueyCobra8151]

And you came to this conclusion not because you know any of the parties involved, nor do you have any further information than what has come out on the internet through a single news source and a Naval Aviation forum.

I am pretty surprised about how many people are willing to pick up pitchforks and torches over stuff they have minimal e-knowledge of. (Or accuse non-married Marines of beating up their non-existent wives which is probably the internet equivalent)

Then of course there are the Marines (and Sailors) who have done things that are a fuck-load worse than anything discussed in this thread (presumably because the victims were yucky humans instead of cute cuddly dogs and birds) and no one really seems to care as much...

 

[PropStop]

Guilty or not, his actions, all of our actions, will usually be under a magnifying glass. It totally sucks, but we have to keep our noses cleaner than the general population. If a plumber had killed that dog, nobody would make assumptions about plumbers. But when a Marine or sailor (or soldier/airman) does it - then it brings undue (and COMPLETELY unjustified) derision on his or her respective organization.

What happened to MB is, based on my experience, an example of a skipper taking the easy way out. MB was accused of a crime that reflects VERY badly on the US military, officers in particular, and one that there's ever more pressure to handle expediently and harshly. That kind of crime brings unpleasant attention to a command. A skipper who does not care about his guys may see it as easier to just kick the officer to the curb rather than stand up for his guy and bring yet more attention to his command.

Bottom line - we're held to a higher standard and even accusation is enough to end a career. We are tried by a jury of everybody and if we even appear bring discredit on the military, you can bet that more often than not, you're going to get fried.

 

[squorch2]

But when a Marine or sailor (or soldier/airman) does it - then it brings undue (and COMPLETELY unjustified) derision on his or her respective organization.

Have you ever seen the list of "most trusted organizations?" They do this survey occasionally, asking about the level of trust of various things - lawyers (low), politicians (v. low), athletes (medium), law enforcement (higher), paramedics (higher), firefighters (really high), etc. etc. At the top of the list all the time is that monolithic entity "the military." The American public regards everyone in the military, from SR Johnny Weaselteets to GEN Flex McSkillington as being better people than pretty much any other readily identifiable group. You see this in action when you get a pass on your speeding ticket after the cop notices your DoD stickers. Or when you get that free drink/round/meal when people notice that you're military. Or when you get that new kid from boot camp or A school and their family is counting on you to keep them safe and bring them home.

Having earned such a high level of trust, we fall that much harder when one of our members screws up. We fall collectively because - well, because we're all supposed to have those core values, right? We're a cohesive whole that's supposed to be acting in unity, so the disappointment that registers with people when shit goes wrong is expressed as that derision.

But it's really just disappointment.

 

[rondebmar]

"Bird Shooters" Update

SOUTH REGION B

[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]COLLIER COUNTY [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Arial]In federal court, five subjects charged with the unlawful killing of migratory birds were each sentenced to 150 hours of community service that must be performed with a wildlife organization. They must also each make a $5,000 donation to a wildlife charity and complete a hunter education course. Four of the subjects are U.S. Naval Officers and could be subject to additional charges under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. In February 2009, Lieutenant Wayne Maahs and Officer Daniel Stermen investigated the incident that involved the shooting of numerous state and federally protected bird species. They collected twenty-one bird carcasses as evidence.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Arial]Link: http://www.myfwc.com/docs/AboutFWC/LE/2010_WeeklyReport_Apr16-22.pdf[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Arial]Bottom of page...about 3/4 down...emphasis mine.[/FONT]

BTW...I don't go hunting for this stuff...but as an avid Florida boater/fisherman, and knowing a few FWC LEO's well, do read the LE activities published weekly...helps keep me out of trouble!

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