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Consequences for Veterans and/or retirees in the 2021 DC Riots
- Thread starter Sam I am
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They voted to impeach POTUS while surrounded by National Guard who are there to protect them from POTUS’s supporters. Think about that for a second.
I see it as a shot across the bow that McConnell can now use to keep POTUS on the straight & narrow for another few days. Call off the dogs or he calls the Senate back overnight and January is the first month ever with three presidents. He’s a smooth operator.
Also...accountability. There has to be some.
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hlg6016
A/C Wings Here
We are all familiar with the red line? She violated the red line and paid the price. The Secret Service does not play around when it comes to asset protection.
She was shot by a Capitol Police officer. And I understand your analogy, but there was no literal red line, and I feel like there’s just a lot of shoulder shrugging instead of objective analysis. I understand some people might take into account the victim’s crime when they pass their judgement, but considering the recent blowback following police shootings of unarmed people, I wish there was more out there about this.
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There were a few that I was already thinking and there were a few more that I hadn't thought of.
This comment is as authentic as they come. I swear, when it comes to written communication, the Army must have a class where they train their people to make spelling and grammar mistakes/adding apostrophes where they don't belong/mixing up words that sound the same but mean different things.
Welp, that didn’t take long at all. Congress is talking about forming a commission to look at “media disinformation”...
“It’s one thing to have differentiating opinions, but it’s another thing entirely to just say things that are false, so that’s something that we’re looking into.”
In other news, buyer’s remorse due to stock price going down?
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“It’s one thing to have differentiating opinions, but it’s another thing entirely to just say things that are false, so that’s something that we’re looking into.”
In other news, buyer’s remorse due to stock price going down?
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey: Trump ban was right but sets a 'dangerous' precedent
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey has defended his company's decision to ban President Donald Trump, while acknowledging that the move stems from its failure to promote "healthy" conversations and sets a "dangerous" precedent.
Whatcha sayin here??
There were a few that I was already thinking and there were a few more that I hadn't thought of.
This comment is as authentic as they come. I swear, when it comes to written communication, the Army must have a class where they train their people to make spelling and grammar mistakes/adding apostrophes where they don't belong/mixing up words that sound the same but mean different things.
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Yup, that made for some righteous TV didn’t it? Nice background for Nancy’s political show. I’m sure she appreciated it.
The NG doesn’t need to be camped out in the Capitol. Especially since they know that most of the protesters and rioters are no longer in the area. They could be based nearby with plenty of time to respond if something came up - as long as the people in charge weren’t worried about the optics like they were last week when the refused to deploy them ahead of the riot.
This is just Nancy once again trying to fulfill her 4 year quest to oust Trump even if it’s the last day before his term ends. She’ll do anything to “win”. She’s as much of an asshole and egomaniac as Trump.
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I have no idea what the ROE is, nor do I have a need to know, but I am kind of surprised more weren't shot, frankly. I have a really hard time imagining intruders getting boots on ground inside the White House without getting lit up.
What about McConnell's?
What about them? Is he trying to force someone out of office prematurely without a completes investigation?
I already said he’s playing politics too but his play is in response to the hand dealt him. He’s not the initiator. Not the same level if bullshit as Nancy’s.
But Mitch is blunting Nancy’s win by refusing to hold the Senate trial before the inauguration. I’m sure that had her cackling and muttering to herself like the crazy person she is.
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To address the three questions highlighted:
- From everything I've seen and discussed with law enforcement 'warning shots' aren't usually a thing.
- It appears none of the officers had tear gas and were not prepared to utilize it as they did not have masks of their own. As for other non-lethal means like a taser it does not appear any of the plain clothes officers had them.
- While the Representatives who are shown in the video appear to have left the Speaker's Lobby, which is what that room where they were in the video is called, it is not readily apparent that they were safe yet from video as they could have been in an adjacent room with no barriers between them and the mob. There were also a significant number of Representatives that sheltered in place in the gallery of the House chamber for quite some time during the seige, that is evident in the many photos of the chamber during the incident and why the Capitol Police barricaded the main entrance to the House chamber and had their guns drawn to hold back the mob there. The Speaker's Lobby is to the rear of the chamber and also has entrances to the chamber, those do not appear to have been closed or barricaded at the time of the shooting and would have provided access to the House chamber and the Representatives in the gallery who may have been still sheltering there. In short, the door the woman was breaching appears to be the last real barrier between the mob and the back/rear entrances to the House chamber and possibly some people still sheltering there. This was different from the Senate where the members who were in the chamber had been evacuated and the mob was able to get in, not so in the House chamber.
The Speaker's Lobby is the long room located behind the dais and which appears to have at least 4 entrances directly to the main floor of the House chamber, since they were apparently evacuating the members through those doors they do not appear to have been secured by teh time the mob reached the Speaker's Lobby:
It is pretty evident to me that police were not able to completely evacuate the House chamber for some time, barricading and guarding the entrances they could while trying to evacuate the Representatives who were in the chamber that was made more difficult by the much larger number of Representatives than Senators and by the large number of Representatives that were sheltering in place in the gallery. Given the fact the officers at the scene appear to have a limited number of non-lethal means to ensure the safety of the folks they were guarding it appears at first blush to me to be a justified use of force.
In most other shootings it was often a singular event, while this was part of a much larger one. There is also ample video evidence showing the shooting that coupled with the violent nature of the mob has likely tempered the usual criticism of a police shooting.
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You think McConnell's signaling that he is pleased with impeachment and open to conviction, prior to impeachment proceedings, had no impact on anything? This, the day before the vote...big time signaling.
"Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him"
Further, you think POTUS explicitly denouncing violent protests (finally) was coincidental with McConnell now holding conviction over his head? He has the ability to call the Senate back tomorrow. Or not.
The National Guard are only one component of the security operation for the Inauguration, with the myriad police and law enforcement agencies in the DC area, from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police to the Secret Service (who is in charge of security for the Inauguration itself), coupled with local, state and federal police reinforcements being the primary means of keeping law and order. That is pretty standard for Inaugurations, with the state and local police forces deputized as US Marshals for the duration to make it all kosher.
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The rioters got a lot farther inside the building than they should have. The Pentagon has had an attempted unlawful entry in the past decade, and that person was shot outside. The Capitol Police could have shot any rioters attempting unlawful entry at an external entry. The fact that they allowed themselves to be pushed far to an interior doorway shows some good restraint on their part.
If the Capitol incident doesn't constitute a "hand dealt" to Democrats that they did not initiate, I don't know what else could.