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Corpus or Vance?

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FlyinDevil

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I talked to Flight Management today and they asked me if I wanted to go to Vance, otherwise, I'd most likely go to Corpus. I've heard pros and cons for both, more cons for Vance. But I've been thinking it hard and I want to know what you guys think, especially those who have been to Vance. Here's what I've heard about Vance:

Pros: 1 - get winged 6-8 months earlier
2 - more jet slots available

Cons: 1 - in the middle of nowhere
2 - AF runs their primary more like bootcamp?

Let me know what you guys think and if there are any other pros or cons you may have.

By the way, I'm a Navy SNA and starting up API in two weeks here in Pensacola. I definitely want to fly jets.
 
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the fact that you can come up with any "Pros" at all for training with the AF in BFE shows the level of your delusion and any response given to the contrary will probably be ignored by you.
 
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FlyinDevil

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yeah thanks for the help...

"any response given to the contrary will be ignored by you"? that's why I'm asking what people know (those who have been to Vance)...it's quite obvious you have nothing better to say
 
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How would you wing 6-8 months earlier by going to Vance? I must be missing something here...

I'm also trying to figure out why Vance would have more jet slots.

Seems like someone is blowing smoke up your @ss IOT get you to go to Vance.
 
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FlyinDevil

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that's what i'm trying to figure out if it is all bull...but the reason I posted is because I searched through the threads here and there are postings by people in Vance (a year or two ago) who actually got winged earlier and also, its a big "rumor" that's being passed around here in PEnsacola A-Pool. They even mention it during your check-in briefs...that Vance wings faster and more jet slots.
 
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FlyinDevil said:
yeah thanks for the help...

"any response given to the contrary will be ignored by you"? that's why I'm asking what people know (those who have been to Vance)...it's quite obvious you have nothing better to say
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Thank you for proving my point. I believe my comment was quite relavent.. and judging by your response, 100% accurate.

QED
 
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FlyinDevil said:
They even mention it during your check-in briefs...that Vance wings faster and more jet slots.
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Well no sh!t they say that! They're always having a hard time filling those slots.

All the Marines I went to TBS with that went to Vance winged behind me, and I was by no means a "fast mover" through the pipeline.

I'm gonna call BS on the whole thing.
 
Fly Navy

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Time to train should be the same for Vance and Navy. I finished Primary at Whiting in 6 months, so did some friends of mine in my API class who went to Vance. We checked in together here in Meridian. The only way you'll lose time is if there is a delay in classing up. Oh, and the fact that Corpus is the most mismanaged, slow as sh!t training system.... the horror stories I hear from guys there right now waiting to get OUT of CPTs (something that should take NO LONGER than a week) is atrocious.

And winging speed depends on your PIPELINE, not your Primary training. Go jets and it takes a LOT more time than flying helos or maritime.

As for more jet slots.... no.
 
VarmintShooter

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No extra jet slots in Vance. Might get winged faster, might not. Not going to make much difference over an 10 year career.

Are you in the Navy? If so, wouldn't you like to learn the way the Navy trains its people?

Some people enjoy 12 hour days and the mystical "stand-up." Others like to show up only when they have to fly.

Up to you dude.
 
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kray1395

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RetreadRand said:
The time from start to winging is faster at Vance. They have a set syllabus...all start and finish together, you know your winging date the minute you start class...the navy side is a little more sporadic, and it may take longer, but in the end you will be a better thinker and aviator if you go Corpus
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I need to get something straight here. By winging date, do you mean the date you finish primary?? I'm just wondering because here in Whiting, and I believe it's the same in Corpus, you still have to do this thing called advanced before you get winged. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Studs at Vance also have to select their advanced platform and complete that syllabus before getting winged. Hmmm, that would kind of throw out the whole gettting winged 6-8 months earlier theory as well. Or do those guys get to select SuperHornets straight after the T-6?

You will compete for the same slots that every SNA out of primary is competing for. It doesn't matter if you're at Corpus, Whiting, Vance, or Moody. They don't give each base a certain number of spots. However, it has come to my attention recently that your final grade may have a multiple applied to it depending on what squadron you are in. Obviously this multiple is derived by the same kind of hocus pocus BS forumula that they use to compute your NSS anyways so it's hardly worth thinking about.
 
jg5343

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The best thing about flying with the AF is knowing exactly what is going to happen, when it is going to happen, and who it is going to happen to. The AF is super well managed, and can answer almost any question you have about timelines while here. (I am at Moody, but should be the same)
That being said, I get treated like a turd E-1 that doesn't know his @ss from a hole in the ground. If you can get over that, you will love the AF. OH, slots are the same no matter where you go, everyone selects against each other for that particular week. And the 12 hour days are only a short part of the training and are temporary as long as you do well.

My suggestion is to stick Navy on principle. There is no one here that likes it and 75% of us volunteered too. Good Luck!
 
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NavyWife2001

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FYI....My hubby went to Vance and all four of the Navy guys in his class (including himself) are all tailhook. 3 Jets, 1 E2/C2. I will e-mail you with some info that I know first hand.
It doesn't really matter where you train, with AF or Navy. If you got it, you got it. Doesn't matter who teaches you. :)
 
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NavyWife2001

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RetreadRand said:
The time from start to winging is faster at Vance. you know your winging date the minute you start class
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Not UNLESS you get E-6's. Vance is the only place to train E-6's. Don't bet on getting E-6's if you go to Vance for Primary though. The Navy wants you to be trained somewhat by them if you are planning to fly their plane.
If you plan on anything other than E-6 you will NOT know your winging date till you get to Advanced and I am sure that date can even change. ;)
At Vance, you will know the date that you finish Primary. If you are AF then you know your winging date the day you start Primary.
 
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