Pretty fascinating. I don’t see how you can look at this data and not see the clear effect that the media hysteria has had on people. The group that data has clearly shown to be at the lowest risk believes it has the highest chance of dying from this virus. William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer must be so proud.
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Another interesting set of graphs, the data is from Europe so clearly it doesn’t apply to America (sarcasm), but it doesn’t appear as though lockdowns impacted the curve of deaths.
In other news, Gavin Newsom just closed all restaurants and bars in the state of California to contain the spread of covid. In other words, he’s saying it’s safer to stay at home than it is to eat outside.
In other news, Gavin Newsom just closed all restaurants and bars in the state of California to contain the spread of covid. In other words, he’s saying it’s safer to stay at home than it is to eat outside.
These young people look hysterical.
We just had a weekend which is traditionally a big party one (ArtsFest, Nittany03 knows about it) and although the fest was cancelled, lots of students showed up anyway. Lots of loud mask-free partying going on all weekend. Not sending a good signal for the campus reopening in the Fall.
I can also find pictures of young people not wearing masks while out and about.These young people look hysterical.
We just had a weekend which is traditionally a big party one (ArtsFest, Nittany03 knows about it) and although the fest was cancelled, lots of students showed up anyway. Lots of loud mask-free partying going on all weekend. Not sending a good signal for the campus reopening in the Fall.
But yes, when a demographic has been led to believe that the virus is 30 times deadlier for them it actually is, I think we could fairly call that a result of media hysteria.
So to be clear, you’re upset about the lack of mask-wearing, but NOT about the gathering in groups over 10 (or whatever the arbitrary number is in your jurisdiction)?
Actions speak louder than words, and their actions say that they think they're immortal. Like all young people.
Those young people in the bar face more risk from other viruses they can contract from there than COVID.
Oh and speaking of lockdowns not being effective, California is shutting down pretty much everything indoors, again.
It's not too much about them getting sick (although we've had a 21 year old student die from it already) as it is propagating through the University and the town.
We had a survey of all students, faculty, and staff here. For all categories, the fear was much more of transmitting it to someone else who then dies, rather than their own health risk. This actually gives me hope we can pull this off, if people can stay selfless.
Yeah and it turns out the data is heavily on their side. 18-34 year olds in California have a .073% chance of dying from covid. I’m not an actuary but I feel like there’s a lot riskier behavior in which people their age could be participating.
In fact, in California, almost 47% of the population, those 34 and under, represent only 1.2% of deaths.
Do you think the numbers in Pennsylvania will be significantly different?
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx
But if everyone wears a mask there’s virtually zero risk right?
Yep, I heard that. Not sure why California is shutting down though. They’ve mandated masks for a while.
Almost.
If everyone wears a mask, it drives the risk towards zero by making R0 < 1.
New Zealand and Taiwan are both back open and operating normally, mask-free. They were smart. We're not.
Mandating != actually doing it, unfortunately.
So you're saying it's because New Zealand wore masks?
See, I would say it's because of their absolute border lockdown and mandatory testing and subsequent 14 day quarantine of EVERYONE who came into the country.
But I guess we're entitled to our own opinion.
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Okay, so if California has had mandatory masking for almost a month now (since June 18th), you're saying it's because statewide, the people (who have voted into office some of the most liberal politicians in this country) are NOT complying with the mandatory mask order that their elected officials have mandated?
There's two scenarios at play here:
- Scientific/medical: Masks aren't this panacea which everyone claims. End result: masks don't work.
- Ethical/Philosophical/Moral: People are willfully violating this order for various reasons. State decides to lock down again. End result: de jure - mandatory mask orders don't work; de facto - masks don't work if people can’t/won’t wear them.
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He already told us masks would do away with the virus. So if it’s increasing despite the mask mandate then obviously it’s because people aren’t wearing masks.So you're saying it's because New Zealand wore masks?
See, I would say it's because of their absolute border lockdown and mandatory testing and subsequent 14 day quarantine of EVERYONE who came into the country.
But I guess we're entitled to our own opinion.
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Visa applications to visit, work, or study in New Zealand are open.www.immigration.govt.nz
Okay, so if California has had mandatory masking for almost a month now (since June 18th), you're saying it's because statewide, the people (who have voted into office some of the most liberal politicians in this country) are NOT complying with the mandatory mask order that their elected officials have mandated?
There's two scenarios at play here:
Clearly, you believe in scenario 2, so what steps should the government take to ensure that their mandatory mask order is followed?
- Scientific/medical: Masks aren't this panacea which everyone claims. End result: masks don't work.
- Ethical/Philosophical/Moral: People are willfully violating this order for various reasons. State decides to lock down again. End result: de jure - mandatory mask orders don't work; de facto - masks don't work if people can’t/won’t wear them.
It would help if the leader of the United States and head of the Republican Party, Orange Man Bad, would stop undermining science and the states trying to control this.
Are you saying everyone is wearing masks?