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No, that article must be wrong, because nittany03 said he's more than a little concerned to see an intelligence officer, of all people, trafficking in debunked conspiracy theories.
P.S. Looks like I can't DM you - any way to change that?
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“While news coverage of Ma's absence from public view triggered speculation on Twitter, which is blocked in China, it was not a significant trending topic on social media in mainland China, where sensitive topics are subject to censorship.”
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“While news coverage of Ma's absence from public view triggered speculation on Twitter, which is blocked in China, it was not a significant trending topic on social media in mainland China, where sensitive topics are subject to censorship.”
Well, to be fair to @nittany03 , that article has a lot more substance than "this guy with an important job title says he thinks it is."
I'm in full agreement that we can't rule out the possibility there was a manmade influence.
I also still believe there is no way we can definitively prove that China either:
A) Deliberately released it into the wild (which is unlikely for multiple reasons)
B) Deliberately decided to release it outside of China by not implementing a lockdown of their own borders (which I'm 50/50 on, only because they're assholes, but it's also possible incompetence is just as likely to have been the culprit as malicious intent when you're trying to control the spread of a new disease)
C) Deliberately engineered it as a bioweapon - This is where there seems to be debate, but all I see here is a bunch of folks arguing about whether it was a deliberate mutation or naturally occurring. Which, hey guess what - viruses fucking exist on the OOM of TRILLIONS in the human body and have a chance of mutating every time they replicate. So...yeah, it's also entirely possible it's a naturally occurring mutation - like infections disease specialists have been warning about the possibility of in wet markets for fucking decades.
Are any of these things, and more, possible? Sure.
Can you prove it with sufficient evidence that we can take real action on it?
Can we claim China is a bioterrorist? Go to war? Sanction them?
If not, who fucking cares, other than, yes, biotech research is now advanced enough that any disaffected grad student with sufficient training can monkey around with viral genetics to play bioterrorist and maybe we should do something to prepare for that?
Countless scientists and doctors around the world and this guy is the only one who found this critical piece of evidence? Nobel or not I find it hard to believe that no one else (credible) has backed his claim, to include the US government health or intelligence agencies which both have components that specialize in studying and tracing things like man-made viruses.
After a very quick Google search that is exactly what the author of that article does, writing a book about his quest to find out if the USAF dropped bioweapons on North Korea in the Korean War. A great story if you buy into Communist porpoganda, not so much if you are into facts.
Or maybe the virus is much more contagious and masks have ameliorated what could have been a much worse outcome if masks weren't used by many?
My kid's teachers have been working pretty hard, even if they are at home while working like many nowadays.
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“Working hard” is a cop out. They are not doing their job, plain and simple.
That’s not true. A number of scientists have acknowledged that it’s possible - even plausible - that the lab leak hypothesis has an equal or greater chance of being true than the wet market hypothesis. China’s wet markets are still open, by the way.
How do you think SARS-COV2 originated?
If they did, it’d be classified. We shouldn’t confirm or deny that they did or didn’t find any indications.
Why doesn't your school district believe in science? They also probably don't teach the theory of evolution. Also interesting that you would believe Dr. Fauci so much when it comes to masks and not believe him about sending children back to school. I'm glad your kids' teachers are working so hard. I'm sure that's exactly what is happening everywhere schools remain closed and not just suburban DC.
""Close the bars and keep the schools open," Fauci said to host Martha Raddatz. "Obviously, you don't have one size fits all. But as I said in the past, the default position should be to try as best as possible within reason to keep the children in school, or to get them back to school.""
Fauci said authorities should 'close the bars and keep the schools open' to cut down on coronavirus infection spread
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, said schools haven't been the major driver of community spread of the coronavirus.
www.businessinsider.com
UNICEF: Schools are not 'main drivers' of Covid among kids
"There is strong evidence that, with basic safety measures in place, the net benefits of keeping schools open outweigh the costs of closing them," said UNICEF.
Good one! Now do Florida.
Teachers union leader pushes to keep schools closed as she vacations
Sarah Chambers has been claiming it is not safe for Chicago public schools to reopen next Monday amid the COVID-19 pandemic.
CTU board member facing criticism for vacationing in Caribbean while pushing remote learning
CHICAGO – A Chicago Teachers Union leader is facing criticism for vacationing in the Caribbean while at the same time claiming it’s unsafe for teachers to return to the classroom. Sarah…
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DTRA and NIH gave the WIV money to perform gain of function research on bat coronaviruses.
There's definitely no conflict of interest or potential culpability there. Nor is there any conflict of interest from the thousands of scientists angling for grant money, a large chunk of which comes from our friends the CHYCAPS.
Self interested scientists who insist on gain of function research (without acknowledging the potential danger of letting pandora out of the box), politicians, and media figures discredited a potential origin point in favor of a different story. That the proponents of zoonotic origins still haven't definitively produced the intermediate reservoir from bats ---> ? ---> humans after 9 months is pretty incredulous to keep considering it as 'fact,' especially if they insist on labeling people with other origin ideas crackpots.
That lack of due diligence contributed to the current state of affairs, to say nothing of tattered credibility for these institutions going forward.
There's definitely no conflict of interest or potential culpability there. Nor is there any conflict of interest from the thousands of scientists angling for grant money, a large chunk of which comes from our friends the CHYCAPS.
Self interested scientists who insist on gain of function research (without acknowledging the potential danger of letting pandora out of the box), politicians, and media figures discredited a potential origin point in favor of a different story. That the proponents of zoonotic origins still haven't definitively produced the intermediate reservoir from bats ---> ? ---> humans after 9 months is pretty incredulous to keep considering it as 'fact,' especially if they insist on labeling people with other origin ideas crackpots.
That lack of due diligence contributed to the current state of affairs, to say nothing of tattered credibility for these institutions going forward.
Again, to start off, I agree that we don't have evidence to rule out the lab leak hypothesis. And China isn't cooperating to find Patient Zero, so that's going to be a dead end.
Having said that - how do you quantify the probability that the lab leak hypothesis has an "equal or greater chance" than any naturally occurring mutation? Trillions of viruses in any organism, all replicating, mutating regularly. What makes it so hard to believe a single natural occurrence is ALSO quite likely?
Dude, we don't even know where the natural reservoir for Ebola is.
Oversight of gain of function research though, on its own, is a worthwhile discussion regardless of the actual origins of COVID.
The ease with which analyze and then whip up genetic mods to viruses...if this thing was as contagious as it is but with the mortality rate of MERS?
Sure, except it's probably still much harder than it sounds to actually find such things when you consider it has to successfully interact with the complexities of the human body.
But that aside, you got my point - it's completely irrelevant how likely it is or isn't that it was manmade or naturally occurring.
If it was, you can't prove it.
If it wasn't, it doesn't really matter, because that doesn't mean the next one won't be an actual Biological WMD attack.
Do we spend this much time arguing about whether or not the Chinese really "want" to fight us in a shooting war or not? No, cuz we fucking plan for it regardless.
Yeah, I'm just looking to the future. If I was a BadActor, based on what I've seen from COVID, I'd come up with a bug and a vaccine, not too deadly (still need serfs in the new world order) and let it loose. They may have thought we would be the world's most prepared, we've proven with COVID that we are incredibly vulnerable.
Teaching class 5 days a week, with similar hours to their ‘normal’ schedule, isn’t working hard?
Ain’t their choice here anyways, but why would that matter?