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CVN Gary Hart

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phrogpilot73

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Nice how the AF manages to gloss over "overflight rights" and things that make carriers practical. Not to mention that there are tankers on the carriers, and they can be replenished at sea. The Navy doesn't need the AF as much as the AF thinks.
 
HH-60H

HH-60H

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phrogpilot73 said:
Nice how the AF manages to gloss over "overflight rights" and things that make carriers practical. Not to mention that there are tankers on the carriers, and they can be replenished at sea. The Navy doesn't need the AF as much as the AF thinks.
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The tankers on carriers do not compare to the strategic refueling assets of the AF.
 
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ftrooper

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The AF Tankers make it easier to do business, certainly, but Naval Air would still be able to operate at range without AF tanking and with internal tanking only. I'm sure it would hurt, but it could still be done. And don't forget, the Marine KC130s can go anywhere the AF tankers can and more, and provide give to get strike packages/ CAS players downrange in addition to the organic tankers. Is it perfect, no, but it works.The AF would rather take the Navy's carrier money and waste it on frivolous crap that does little to support the Ground Combat Element...and as always is pretty ruthless in making that happen. Maybe the Army can take them back (Army Air Force again, anyone?)
 
ChunksJR

ChunksJR

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Yeah, but what about the CVN Corey Hart?

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whitesoxnation

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Senior officers are struggling to find the money, with no assurance of success.
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I hate how theres never enough $$ to get around and the amount of money we spend relative to our GDP is extra-ordinarily low compared to years past.

I know that compared to other nations we spend ALOT more, but still.....
 
CommodoreMid

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Wow this sounds so familiar to the debates which killed the USS United States back in the 40s. Korea proved the Air Force wrong and I don't doubt they'll be continually proved wrong. Or maybe we need another revolt of the admirals?
 
Flash

Flash

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phrogpilot73 said:
Either rely on the organic assets in an ESG (to include an Aegis cruiser), or operate closely to a Carrier Battle Group. The radars on the big deck amphib are actually pretty decent...
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That leaves a gaping hole for low fliers to sneak up on you and give you ASCM up your unsuspecting tail, just ask the Brits how they did in the Falklands without AEW. Their quick fix was this:

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....it is still in use, and nowhere near as capable as an E-2.

I think there wil have to be quite a leap in technology to have helicopter-borne AEW even come close to comparing with fixed wing.

And don't forget the lesser payload of VSTOL aircraft, including the F-35B. Half the internal payload at much less range doesn't really win an argument for smaller decks replacing bigger ones, especially when many others are moving to bigger decks after going ski-jump/VSTOL in the last 30 years.
 
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MasterBates

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It apparently has more capability that you are aware of..

Not a primary mission, but can do much like the brit bird can, to fill gaps in surface ship coverage.
 
Flash

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MasterBates said:
It apparently has more capability that you are aware of..

Not a primary mission, but can do much like the brit bird can, to fill gaps in surface ship coverage.
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AEW is not its primary mission, that means it probably has a fraction of the capability of an E-2. I would not bet a carrier and its air wing on getting coverage from a platform like that.......:eek:
 
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