Disassociated tour for aviators on aircraft carriers/gators

[exNavyOffRec]

Thanks again, Gents. These are certain appointments to hit the Flag rank, right? I.e. if you've been CVN XO, you'll be CVN CO, and every CVN CO who stood the tour properly will be RADM. Why then I've been told here that it is relatively rare event for helo guy to become an Admiral?

I have seen many CVN CO's not get RADM, in fact I think of my last 4 or 5 not a one made RADM

 

[azguy]

And what is the value this qual can add to a common naval helo guy carrer? Maybe when and if he will be screened for CVN XO tour, it would help? Though I haven't ever heard about Rotorhead XO of CVN...

I don't have enough insight into their career milestones to tell you why they value an OOD letter, but my understanding from those guys is that OOD is a nice bonus for them to have on their record.

ETA: I did a training cruise on GW and their CO was a helo pilot. I think that's fairly rare, but definitely not unheard of.

 

[Max the Mad Russian]

I have seen many CVN CO's not get RADM, in fact I think of my last 4 or 5 not a one made RADM

Thanks. Then it isn't motivating enough to bear that ordeal, in my opinion. Honestly, I cannot even imagine how the CVN CO can cope with this job if just one immediate subordinate screwes.

I did a training cruise on GW and their CO was a helo pilot. I think that's fairly rare, but definitely not unheard of.

Thanks again. As I have been told for the carrier affairs in the late 1970s, the carrier CO then had to have the certain amount of familiarization flights piloting or crewing every type the embarked CVW's squadrons have had. If this demand remains for now, how the helo experienced CO can do it on Super Hornets?

Another question - is that COD detachment a part of CVW or that COD Officer in Command/Charge reports to carrier CO instead of CAG?

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Thanks. Then it isn't motivating enough to bear that ordeal, in my opinion. Honestly, I cannot even imagine how the CVN CO can cope with this job if just one immediate subordinate screwes.



Thanks again. As I have been told for the carrier affairs in the late 1970s, the carrier CO then had to have the certain amount of familiarization flights piloting or crewing every type the embarked CVW's squadrons have had. If this demand remains for now, how the helo experienced CO can do it on Super Hornets?

Another question - is that COD detachment a part of CVW or that COD Officer in Command/Charge reports to carrier CO instead of CAG?

several of the CO's that I know that never made RADM had fine tours, could have been something that I wasn't aware of but who knows....

 

[Max the Mad Russian]

several of the CO's that I know that never made RADM had fine tours, could have been something that I wasn't aware of but who knows....

The question is that maybe you should have something more in your bag than successful CVN CO tour to make RADM. Suppose some education of grad level or higher. In Russia this is General Staff Academy - inevitable post-grad school to make any flag rank in any service (except for FSB and other "spies" - they have their own educational installations). Typically Col/Capt level officers who apply (sometimes senior LtCol/Cdr near the next rank) spend 18 months there and then go to the flag rank posts with making MajGen/RADM within 6 next months. In Russia you should firstly get the job of flag rank billet, serve there as Col/Capt for awhile, and only then you recieve the new shoulder straps with the big stars.
Yet we have a half of the ship, being a CO of which allows one to make RADM right on the bridge. A "half" due to the practice: there is only one RADM billet for TWO capital ships. Once this billet is for the CO of CGN Peter the Great, and when her actual CO is making RADM, this billet is closing there and is instantly opening at the bridge of the CV Kuznetsov, for carrier CO. When the Kuznetsov CO is making RADM, the billet returns to CGN. Otherwise this is a Capt billet. Imagine one RADM unexpectedly relieved from command but the other ship's CO is not yet a RADM, then we will have both capital ships with Capts on the bridges; if RADM is lasting longer with one of the ships, then the second bridge can become occupied by RADM, too, and we will have two RADMs on two bridges. Funny enough, I understand, either to have a ship's CO of flag rank and to pass this billet over back and forth just like basketball or tennis ;-)

 

[Max the Mad Russian]

Hello guys,

This time a question about SEALs. There are way too many movies now in which the SEAL active or reserve personnell is showing their Tridents as some of unquestionable value either directly and much beyond the striktly military realm as well. As if the SEALs are the ultimate warriors and all others "are not ready yet". So it is interesting whether some of you ever met the SEALs officers or men who changed their Budweiser community to any other and if so, what was the main reason in each case? Suppose some SEAL NCOs are becoming officers via OCS or so, and maybe not all of them further hang on the Trident till the retirement...

 

[Max the Mad Russian]

Ok, continue the blink-long communities outlook.
Eeverybody could see Cdr Patrik Thien, USN, when he was CO of LCS-1 Freedom. It can be considered as if an officer doesn't take his responsibility seriously or he is demonstrating very questionable leadership style, resembling clown or tricky TV-talkshow runner. But for me he is very consistent in the role, taking in account that he served - probably very rare case in USN - mostly on small combattants, where the bonds to the people had always created the "people's officers" from COs. Anyway, I found that in Russian Navy where the small ships are persisting in rising amount, that leadership by laugh is quite common - on the small warships, and on small-to-medium CG cutters as well, the COs are relatively young guys and the good sense of humor that should often be in no short supplies is their inherent trait.
Any thoughts?

 

[Max the Mad Russian]

And back to aviation world.

From what I know, if an attack aircraft or fighter has guns, the top of its pilot's dreams is to have a gun kill - no matter whether a target was adversary aircraft, or truck for attack pilot, or APC, loco, or whatever. Nor the country matters (here in Russia it's the same). Just gun kill adds some special value (and envy from the others) to pilot's experience. Meanwhile, there are targets that hardly can be destroyed by any other means except guns. For example, an intel/observation air balloon which looks like weather balloon, or faulty sounding balloon itself. Yet no one of pilots tends to boast by the kill of balloon - it is nothing compared to the dogfight gun kill, for which, by the way, much more lethal heat-seeking missiles exist. But gun kill value persists. Why?

 

[Brett327]

It's as though you're following some bizarro narrative from a 1950s era news reel. In what time period did you actually serve in the Soviet Navy? At what rank did you retire?

 

[Max the Mad Russian]

It's as though you're following some bizarro narrative from a 1950s era news reel. In what time period did you actually serve in the Soviet Navy? At what rank did you retire?

This is from the fanfiction "Raven One" by Capt Kevin Miller, which reflects this century aviation ethos. I served in the Navy/CG from 1988 to 1998, retired as Capt 3rd rank, either LtCdr or Cdr for analogue.

 

[Recovering LSO]

It's as though you're following some bizarro narrative from a 1950s era news reel. In what time period did you actually serve in the Soviet Navy? At what rank did you retire?

You're still paying attention to this thread?

 

[Brett327]

It's like a train wreck. I can't turn away.

 

[Pags]

 

[Max the Mad Russian]

It's like a train wreck. I can't turn away.

My wife is psychologist. She says that if you cannot turn away - you are in the tunnel, which is bad news, but the light is coming soon - which is good one;-)
I can accept the hostility of the people here since adversary status of Russia (as a state) is stemming from the mere fact that USA is the core point of one civilization and Russia's the same for another one. The clashes of civilizations are inevitable but, first, you should choose the proper front for now, and second, the clash can be relatively moderate and bloodless. In my opinion - while I never voted for Mr. Putin and am personally sure that he is the bad choice for Russia in perspective - the Russia, as a "capitol" of the Orthodox civilization, now both sees the proper front for the clash and tries to make that clash softer at least slightly better than whole Catholic-Protestant civilization led by USA. We are not your enemy now, we're on our own, no more. Yes, Putin's government made a series of mistakes, and the Crimea is the worst of them, but almost all of them occured within of the frontiers of our civilization - for all the others we're still trying to "trade not war".
I finished to put the questions, as most of them remain unanswered, and will be very grateful to anyone who would show me less rigid website where people is less afraid and battle-ready, while flying mostly the tables.

 

[Brett327]

I don't think people are being hostile, it's just that your unending litany of questions on esoteric topics is a bit pedantic for most people here.

Perhaps the folks over at Sailor Bob would be more amenable to such things.