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Done with USAA...and advice...

Schnugg

It's gettin' a bit dramatic 'round here...
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Super Moderator
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I had an expensive 12 string guitar crushed in a move. USAA had told me it was covered when I called asking before I left. I was quoted some values and rates by the agent.

When I made my claim as the gov't would have given me nothing on a 27 year old guitar, they said I was not covered. I recalled the phonecon and quoted numbers which apparently are USAA proprietary for moving claims and after going several agents up, USAA agreed to honor the claim.

I paid my deductible and got the new axe.

So make sure they review the agent records of your first call to see what was documented. In my case they did and saw that they had promised me something they should not have. They did come through in the end.
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bert

Enjoying the real world
pilot
Contributor
Would base legal really get involved in somethign like this? I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I've only seen them do wills, basic paperwork, and the like.

They won't make his case for him, but there is at least a chance they can point him in a useful direction. If not, it didn't cost him anything.
 

02Navy05VT

Hypertension Anyone?
We have been insured with USAA since 1978. I have worked on the claims side of the insurance industry for over 20 years and have been with the same well-known property and casualty insurer for that entire time. I don't have any of our personal insurance with the company I work for, even though I would get it for a discounted premium. That is an endorsement for the finest insurance company in the world, no joke, claims are my world and USAA is the best one out there.

Having said that, if you purchased a broadening endorsement that extends the $2,000 basic coverage for firearms, there should have been an endorsement added to your policy along with a specific premium charged for that additional coverage. If you have a record of the date you spoke with the underwriting representative (like a cell phone bill/record showing the date and time you called) then USAA should have a record of the transaction in your underwriting file. Write them a letter stating the date and time of the call, the name of the employee you spoke to, outlining the nature of the conversation and, if you have any other evidence, put it in the letter. Saying "I talked to 'some guy' in March or April" probably isn't going to be enough for you.

If that doesn't get the ball rolling, each state has a department of insurance that maintains a consumer complaint division. You should contact the department of insurance of the state in which you live. I think you said Texas, so start here: http://www.tdi.state.tx.us/consumer/complfrm.html is a link to the Texas DOI. They will ask you to fill out a form and will notify USAA of your formal complaint. USAA has a period of time to respond to the complaint with their supporting documents, and then you should have an opportunity to respond to them again.

If you don't have any records to support your case, you might find yourself in a bad spot. The bottom line is that unless there is some type of evidence that you requested coverage, regardless of whether or not they charged you a premium, you have an uphill battle.

Everyone here should pay attention:
1) go into your file drawer and pull out the copy of your insurance policies. If you can't find it, call USAA and have them send it to you ASAP.
2) everyone should READ their policy, make sure YOUR name is on there, spelled correctly and, if it's a homeowner's or renter's policy, that the physical location of the home/apt is correct.
3) pay attention to the limits of coverage for liability and for contents. Is it enough? If you have assets, and you get sued, you want to be sure you have enough coverage to satisfy the people suing you. If you don't, the injured party and his/her attorney will do an asset check (anyone worth their salt does) and will start rubbing their hands together if they find you've got $30,000 in the bank. If you do, and they are badly injured, they will go after it. MB, they might try to take away your 'tin can' if you've got nothing else. (just kidding, they usually leave your house alone)

Also check the basic limits on "unscheduled items" like jewelry, (includes class rings, the wife's diamonds, firearms, fine art etc.) If you have something that is an heirloom, or is difficult to estimate the value, get it appraised and, for a nominal fee, you can have it scheduled.
4) Most policies cover personal property only when something happens to it on the premises by a named peril, like theft, fire, windstorm etc.
5) to get "all risk" coverage for certain items, depending upon the type of policy you have, you usually need an endorsement which will extend the coverage limits and radius. A diamond falling out of a ring at a baseball game would more than likely be covered, up to the limit you stated, if it was scheduled.
6) Get a digital camera and take pictures (with the date function turned on) of all your good stuff. Line up the jewels, electronics, the guns, the china, etc. and take pictures of it all. Burn the pics onto on a CD and give a copy to your parents and put one in a safe place where it can't get damaged or lost. Video is a new technology for insurance companies (we're old school) and it isn't always supported or appreciated by a claims rep who would have to watch 30 minutes of video to see a 2 second image of uncle walter's heirloom brandy snifter. Go with the still pics.

7) Anytime you talk to an insurance company about anything, get the person's name and e-mail address and follow up with them in writing (snail mail and e-mail) to confirm your conversation. In this case a quick e-mail saying "thanks for the advice on the firearms coverage, this is to confirm you've added the coverage with a limit of $25,000", add yourself as a "cc" to the e-mail and print it and put it in your file. Even if they forget to do it, and never charge you the premium, the dept of insurance would probably take your side.

So, start digging through your drawer for you cell phone bills, or any record of your conversations. Write to USAA with your supporting docs, get online with the DOI for Texas. You will have to push back at USAA. Good luck.

OK, I'm off the soap box...
 

scoober78

(HCDAW)
pilot
Contributor
Hey guys...thanks for the speedy replies I do appreciate it.

Big Iron and 02 Navy, I understand that I am not without blame here. Trust me, I know now that I should have been more attentive about what exactly was being written into my policy, and in retrospect I will be. One thing that the claims adjuster pointed out that to him indicated a lack of service on their part was the fact that I never received or was given access to the entire policy declaration. Even at renewal, USAA policy is to only furnish a declaration of changes to the policy...there were none.

Should I have noticed this? Absolutely! Was I a little preoccupied at the time with the first two months of Primary? Bet your ass!:D

A question for you guys with experience. When they first denied the firearms portion of the claim, the adjuster immediately said that he, along with his supervisor was appealing the decision by underwriting. I asked him why and he said "Because it seems to us that there really was a lack of service on our part." This was after making a recorded statement and after they mentioned to me that they would be checking the recording of policy purchase. This seems significant to me but is it really?


For everyone else reading this...heed 02Navy's words...it mighta saved my ass and it may save yours. This was my first renter's insurance experience as it will be for many reading. TAKE NOTHING FOR GRANTED!

Mods...reccomend sticky of the stuff below...


Everyone here should pay attention:
1) go into your file drawer and pull out the copy of your insurance policies. If you can't find it, call USAA and have them send it to you ASAP.
2) everyone should READ their policy, make sure YOUR name is on there, spelled correctly and, if it's a homeowner's or renter's policy, that the physical location of the home/apt is correct.
3) pay attention to the limits of coverage for liability and for contents. Is it enough? If you have assets, and you get sued, you want to be sure you have enough coverage to satisfy the people suing you. If you don't, the injured party and his/her attorney will do an asset check (anyone worth their salt does) and will start rubbing their hands together if they find you've got $30,000 in the bank. If you do, and they are badly injured, they will go after it. MB, they might try to take away your 'tin can' if you've got nothing else. (just kidding, they usually leave your house alone)

Also check the basic limits on "unscheduled items" like jewelry, (includes class rings, the wife's diamonds, firearms, fine art etc.) If you have something that is an heirloom, or is difficult to estimate the value, get it appraised and, for a nominal fee, you can have it scheduled.
4) Most policies cover personal property only when something happens to it on the premises by a named peril, like theft, fire, windstorm etc.
5) to get "all risk" coverage for certain items, depending upon the type of policy you have, you usually need an endorsement which will extend the coverage limits and radius. A diamond falling out of a ring at a baseball game would more than likely be covered, up to the limit you stated, if it was scheduled.
6) Get a digital camera and take pictures (with the date function turned on) of all your good stuff. Line up the jewels, electronics, the guns, the china, etc. and take pictures of it all. Burn the pics onto on a CD and give a copy to your parents and put one in a safe place where it can't get damaged or lost. Video is a new technology for insurance companies (we're old school) and it isn't always supported or appreciated by a claims rep who would have to watch 30 minutes of video to see a 2 second image of uncle walter's heirloom brandy snifter. Go with the still pics.

7) Anytime you talk to an insurance company about anything, get the person's name and e-mail address and follow up with them in writing (snail mail and e-mail) to confirm your conversation. In this case a quick e-mail saying "thanks for the advice on the firearms coverage, this is to confirm you've added the coverage with a limit of $25,000", add yourself as a "cc" to the e-mail and print it and put it in your file. Even if they forget to do it, and never charge you the premium, the dept of insurance would probably take your side.

So, start digging through your drawer for you cell phone bills, or any record of your conversations. Write to USAA with your supporting docs, get online with the DOI for Texas. You will have to push back at USAA. Good luck.

OK, I'm off the soap box...
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
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I agree ... write to "Bob" ... I'm not kidding.

Everyone answers to someone "higher" ... I had to do that -- go "higher" -- not "answer" -- 5-6 years ago in a dispute with their adjuster over a flood claim. The higher up the food chain I went, the better the results were ... and it's too damn bad, as USAA used to be bullet proof -- I've been a member since 1965 -- and then, sometime in the 80's or so -- they opened the membership to "everyone & anyone" and it's never been the same, service-oriented company that "took care of it's own" ...


"Bob" wants to be there for you ... believe him. :)


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One of the things you can do to take it higher is to make an 'Executive Cpmplaint'. It is not a joke (I thought it was when I first heard about it), it really exists in most corporations in the US. Without a specific policy in writing this might be one of the easier ways to go.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64483-2005Jan10.html

P.S. USAA opened its membership to E's in 1999.
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
...P.S. USAA opened its membership to E's in 1999.
Who said anything about the E-Men??? ... you pasty, effite, eastern seaboard, blue-blooded, white gloved, calling card-in-silver-tray-at-C.O.'s-house carryin' .... Officer snob??? :eek:

I'm talkin' about the miscreant sons & daughters and extended family members of Officers :eek:--- THEY started the ball rolling 'round & 'round toward the toilet drain while the premiums went up & up toward the stratosphere ....
 

BackOrdered

Well-Known Member
Contributor
A4sForever said:
I'm talkin' about the miscreant sons & daughters and extended family members of Officers :eek:--- THEY started the ball rolling 'round & 'round toward the toilet drain while the premiums went up & up toward the stratosphere ....

So long as they don't turn into another Vystar. :irked_125 I'm just about done banking with them.
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
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A4sForever said:
Who said anything about the E-Men??? ... you pasty, effite, eastern seaboard, blue-blooded, white gloved, calling card-in-silver-tray-at-C.O.'s-house carryin' .... Officer snob??? :eek:

I'm talkin' about the miscreant sons & daughters and extended family members of Officers :eek:--- THEY started the ball rolling 'round & 'round toward the toilet drain while the premiums went up & up toward the stratosphere ....


Call me a snob if you want, that was a big complaint from several of my contemporaries correlating it with USAA's supposed decline in service the past few years. I, on the other hand, have seen no change in the level of my service and have found no reason to complain so far.......
 

mustang_wife

Domestic Engineer Specialist
Lastly, if you have insurance with USAA, I strongly reccomend going elsewhere with your business. For all their talk about trying to help servicemembers etc...they don't back it up when the music stops. They will be losing all of my business.


Tell your friend that I'll relay his experience and this feedback back to the company. Tell him not to give up on USAA. I'm not going to give a sap story about "how we rely heavily on the communication that our members have with each other regarding our customer service" because, quite frankly, he shouldn't care about that.

We should, and we do.

His concern is to have the coverage that he was under the impression he had. That's what made your family's claim experience with USAA so great. Do you even remember that? You had the peace of mind knowing that your items (damaged or destroyed by the water damage of the rented home) were covered. If you don't remember it, it's because you expected that level of service from us, and your expectations were met. Believe me, you would be just as upset if you thought your valuables were covered, but found out later that they were not (as would I, or any other member). That's the part that will strike a nerve with USAA. If we were in that situation, we'd expect more, too.

I can't promise that the outcome will be different, but I can guarantee that when I communicate this back, his claim will be reviewed.

Oh, and say hi to mom and dad.


Hey Scoob...I fowarded this message to my brother..and your name, so hopefully you can get this resolved.

My brother works at a pretty high level at USAA but just not with the claims adjusters anymore...but he does know who to foward your response to so hopefully you'll hear from them. Hope this atleast helps- I remember the damages with our flood which my brother refers to so...I can only wish you the best. :)
 

JIMC5499

ex-Mech
You might want to take a look at the premiums that you paid. I took a rider on my renter's insurence to cover the small machine shop I have in my basement, against flooding. I hadn't recieved the updated policy when hurricane Ivan came through a few years ago, but I was being billed for the higher premium. When I submitted my claim they denied the damage that they said was due to flooding. I was able to show a history of my premium payments, including the increase when I added the flood rider. I was able to file a complaint with the State Insurance Department and got the coverage enforced.
 

feddoc

Really old guy
Contributor
scoober,

They may not pay for the guns, but, what about the rifle scopes, slings, scope mounts, etc. that were attached to the guns?

I can only assume they were stolen too and should be covered under the policy.
 

scoober78

(HCDAW)
pilot
Contributor
Copy that...I wisely decided to list all accesories on the guns individually and seperate from the firearms. Believe it or not, USAA is trying to say that scopes, because they are accesories to firearms, fall under the definition of firearms, and will not be paid.

You believe that?

This is a battle that I think I have a shot at winning though...talk about total ridiculousness.:(
 

BigIron

Remotely piloted
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Copy that...I wisely decided to list all accesories on the guns individually and seperate from the firearms. Believe it or not, USAA is trying to say that scopes, because they are accesories to firearms, fall under the definition of firearms, and will not be paid.

You believe that?

This is a battle that I think I have a shot at winning though...talk about total ridiculousness.:(

how does your policy define firearms? Does that definition include accessories?
 

guim13

New Member
DOI complaints run CA. I work for progressive, and when we get them it gets pushed up the chain. I know at progressive we have to have our team leader and the office mgr sign off on a denial. I have listened to call tapes before, and usually there is enough grey area to afford coverage. Progressive only does cars though, so I dont know about renters ins.
 

scoober78

(HCDAW)
pilot
Contributor
how does your policy define firearms? Does that definition include accessories?
The coverage limit says:

6. 2000$ for loss by theft of firearms.



No further definition is given.
 
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