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Drones. Why are these things so difficult to fly? WTFO?

Brett327

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In case you're really interested, says you don't need a license, so it has to be safe!
I've always wondered how these kinds of aircraft are viewed by the FAA, and how anyone could operate it without some kind of license. Also curious how this company is licensed as a commercial entity that charges $250 for rides in aircraft without jumping through some hoops.
 

PhrogPhlyer

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I've always wondered
I agree, so many questions here.
And the customers are probably the same ones who say they won't get into a helicopter, because it's dangerous.
They would trust an aircraft without a pilot over one with a pilot.
Makes no sense to me.
I have this back and forth with my grandson who thinks driverless cars are the coolest things, and I tell him i will "never" ride in one.
Love the confused look on his face when I say that.
 

sevenhelmet

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Drones suck. RC monster trucks are way more fun. Bought my son a Traxxas Stampede 4x4 VXL for Christmas. Liked it so much, I bought one for myself too. All the fun of burnouts, racing, wheelies, jumps, and donuts, with none of the personal injury risk. And parts are replaceable when things break!

Perfect for a 12 year old to learn about drivetrains and soldering when things go wrong.

:cool:
 

sevenhelmet

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I've always wondered how these kinds of aircraft are viewed by the FAA, and how anyone could operate it without some kind of license. Also curious how this company is licensed as a commercial entity that charges $250 for rides in aircraft without jumping through some hoops.

Key word, "Waitlist". My guess is they haven't figured it all out yet, either. Smacks of silicon valley hubris and venture capital to me.

Pass.
 

Brett327

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Key word, "Waitlist". My guess is they haven't figured it all out yet, either. Smacks of silicon valley hubris and venture capital to me.

Pass.
Looked at their site a bit more... looks like the passenger is backed up remotely by a properly licensed "safety" pilot... so, yeah, no license required to ride in it. Looks like it falls under the powered ultralight category.
 

Swanee

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I agree, so many questions here.
And the customers are probably the same ones who say they won't get into a helicopter, because it's dangerous.
They would trust an aircraft without a pilot over one with a pilot.
Makes no sense to me.
I have this back and forth with my grandson who thinks driverless cars are the coolest things, and I tell him i will "never" ride in one.
Love the confused look on his face when I say that.
As a drone guy I agree. There is something comforting about knowing that the guy or gal flying the airplane has the same skin in the game as you do when something bad happens.

I've also seen the robot do exactly what it was told to do, much to the detriment of everyone else involved when they couldn't step in and override.

I think we'll see unmanned cargo continue to develop and take off. K-MAX was a very successful airplane and program.


Also, it is a misconception that drone airplanes and cars are unmanned. People are still creating the decision matrix. They are still susceptible to human error, that error just occurs much earlier in the process- and as I said earlier, in some instances cannot be avoided once the triggers are met.

At the same time a machine doesn't get tired or drunk. So there's that.
 

Random8145

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I agree, so many questions here.
And the customers are probably the same ones who say they won't get into a helicopter, because it's dangerous.
They would trust an aircraft without a pilot over one with a pilot.
Makes no sense to me.
I have this back and forth with my grandson who thinks driverless cars are the coolest things, and I tell him i will "never" ride in one.
Love the confused look on his face when I say that.
The concept looks cool, but there are plenty of examples of these small companies with such a product where they present to the public that it is perfectly safe, then they accidentally kill people and you find all manner of safety standards were violated. The most recent example was the Titan submersible (stupid ultra arrogant glory-seeking lying CEO who wanted to be the Elon Musk of the ocean), but there was the example of the helicopter tourism company in I think NYC that had a crash and it was due to lack of standards, also the small plane operator back in 2001 in the Bahamas that killed the actress and singer Aaliyah.
 

Random8145

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As a drone guy I agree. There is something comforting about knowing that the guy or gal flying the airplane has the same skin in the game as you do when something bad happens.

I've also seen the robot do exactly what it was told to do, much to the detriment of everyone else involved when they couldn't step in and override.

I think we'll see unmanned cargo continue to develop and take off. K-MAX was a very successful airplane and program.


Also, it is a misconception that drone airplanes and cars are unmanned. People are still creating the decision matrix. They are still susceptible to human error, that error just occurs much earlier in the process- and as I said earlier, in some instances cannot be avoided once the triggers are met.

At the same time a machine doesn't get tired or drunk. So there's that.
There was a story recently about Google's robo taxis and problems women were having where groups of men in cars would see them and start following the taxi, and the women were helpless to stop the taxi from leading the followers right to their place of residence. Also men would see the women in the taxis and do things like block the taxi (it will stop if someone gets in the way) and try to forcibly enter the vehicle. If the vehicle is sitting at a red light, that also presents vulnerabilities.
 

Gatordev

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Looked at their site a bit more... looks like the passenger is backed up remotely by a properly licensed "safety" pilot... so, yeah, no license required to ride in it. Looks like it falls under the powered ultralight category.

They'll also be required to operate under a certificate since it's a commercial venture, if my cursory paying attention to the drone side of things is correct.

Vertical Aviation International, which used to be Helicopter Association International, has really embraced the autonomous side of the industry in an effort to work with regulators instead of having regulators decree things they don't understand.
 
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