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- Thread starter Jwattz
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When I was XO, I had a guy who had fraudulently enlisted. While DONCAF does not do the security investigations themselves (OPM does), they do ajudicate them (grant clearance eligibility--or not). I will tell you that the investigations done on people are quite thorough. If you have something to hide (sealed records not), they will find it. If you have answers on paperwork that don't match what they find or don't match what you put down on your SSBI, you're screwed. They will find the inconsistencies if there are any, and then eliminate you. Save yourself a lot of heartache later on, and your chain of command too, and just put it down.
BTW, the SSBI is very specific in the questions it asks and tells you to answer it truthfully even if the record has been sealed and/or you believe your record has been expunged.
Here's some links for your info. Enjoy.
http://www.navysecurity.navy.mil/abtdoncf.htm
http://www.navysecurity.navy.mil/doncafwn.htm
BTW, the SSBI is very specific in the questions it asks and tells you to answer it truthfully even if the record has been sealed and/or you believe your record has been expunged.
Here's some links for your info. Enjoy.
http://www.navysecurity.navy.mil/abtdoncf.htm
http://www.navysecurity.navy.mil/doncafwn.htm
Steve is right on. Come clean up front. You may be able to hide it at first, but when it comes time for security clearance reviews or time for a top secret clearance, the Department of Defense Investigators interview everyone and look at everything. You will be sweating every minute wondering if you will be caught. There will be no excuses and you will most likely be fired. Maybe even charged with something under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
WannabeDom
Registered User
I have a similar situation. When I was 18, I was pulled over for a routine traffic stop, and the officer asked to search my car. I worked at the United Way at the time, and told him he could look all he wanted. Somehow, he "found" a plastic bag with 3 marajuana roaches in it in my center console ashtray. The one I had just dumped out at the gas station.
I tried to explain to the cop that he was an idiot for "finding" this evidence, as I had just taken a drug test at work the week before, and was sure a court would question as to why someone who had random drug tests at work would be currently using drugs...
To make a VERY long story short, the court deferred everything, and I pleaded "no contest" to the charges. I was given something called citizen something-or-other and they could call me in for a drug test if they wanted to (they never did). Suffice to say, I am being up front with it on my application, and three of my LOR's are aware of the situation and plan to comment on it in their letters (one is the mayor, the other is a state senator, and the third is a former AF Commaned or NORAD). Plus, it was 7 years ago which I'm sure they will take into account.
Also, in my essay thingy I plan to use it as an indication of my maturation and determination to become a better person since then. I think if I show I'm not afraid of admitting my mistakes, and doing what is important to rectify them and become a better person because of them, it will gain a favorable light in front of the board.
I tried to explain to the cop that he was an idiot for "finding" this evidence, as I had just taken a drug test at work the week before, and was sure a court would question as to why someone who had random drug tests at work would be currently using drugs...
To make a VERY long story short, the court deferred everything, and I pleaded "no contest" to the charges. I was given something called citizen something-or-other and they could call me in for a drug test if they wanted to (they never did). Suffice to say, I am being up front with it on my application, and three of my LOR's are aware of the situation and plan to comment on it in their letters (one is the mayor, the other is a state senator, and the third is a former AF Commaned or NORAD). Plus, it was 7 years ago which I'm sure they will take into account.
Also, in my essay thingy I plan to use it as an indication of my maturation and determination to become a better person since then. I think if I show I'm not afraid of admitting my mistakes, and doing what is important to rectify them and become a better person because of them, it will gain a favorable light in front of the board.
WannabeDom
Registered User
I've never met anyone who wasn't once young enough to make a mistake.
just for reference, i was accepted to marine ocs with a waiver for a disorderly conduct arrest and a separate dui arrest (only 1 month after probation was over). i did not divulge any incidents that occurred b4 i became an adult. eventually i had 2 personal interviews with the background investigators concerning a bust for minor in posession of alcohol when i was 16, and some other alleged incidents. i did not divulge those because i thought the records were sealed, and i took options that were supposed to clear my record. the security investigators found out, so i was honest with them, and somehow i still got my secret security clearance. the point is, there is always hope, but honesty is what they are looking for.
Grant
Registered User
thorman said:
Were they simply arrests, or convictions? I dont know how DoD investigators view things, but I know that in the civilian world there is a huge difference between an arrest, or a conviction. If there were no convictions, the arrests might not have mattered, as far as your clearance screening goes...?
Maybe someone else here knows more about this type of scenario?