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Energy Discussion

Randy Daytona said:
This seems interesting:

www.aljazeera.com

Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to restore relations

The regional rivals are expected to reopen their embassies within two months after talks in Beijing.
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Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to restore relations​

The regional rivals are expected to reopen embassies within two months as they re-establish ties and a security agreement after Beijing talks.
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That's a little surprising to me but given the really deep seated mutual loathing, going back before to well before the Shah fell, I don't think there'll be a great reordering of Middle East or Gulf geopolitics anytime soon.
 
Flash said:
That's a little surprising to me but given the really deep seated mutual loathing, going back before to well before the Shah fell, I don't think there'll be a great reordering of Middle East or Gulf geopolitics anytime soon.
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Friends close, enemies closer…?
 
Flash said:
That's a little surprising to me but given the really deep seated mutual loathing, going back before to well before the Shah fell, I don't think there'll be a great reordering of Middle East or Gulf geopolitics anytime soon.
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There is still the Sunni v Shia divide there that will always have them less than trusting of “the other.” I agree, no great reordering, just China on the verge of maybe learning some hard lessons about the Middle East.
 
taxi1 said:
Friends close, enemies closer…?
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Kind of, I think the Crown Prince is trying to mend fences to a degree and show that Saudi Arabia doesn't need the US or the west since we were so mean to him after his Istanbul fiasco.

Griz882 said:
There is still the Sunni v Shia divide there that will always have them less than trusting of “the other.” I agree, no great reordering, just China on the verge of maybe learning some hard lessons about the Middle East.
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The Arab vs Persian thing comes into play too, I was a little surprised at the common and casual disparaging of Iran and Iranians by the Arab military guys I worked with.
 
Flash said:
Your continue to post about the farmer protests in the Netherlands like it is some sort of existential crisis for them but fail to mention why the government is taking action. It is sort of like fishermen protesting fishing limits, there is good reason behind the policies if you bothered to look beyond the alarmist headlines.
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Considering the results of the Dutch elections Wednesday night, it looks like a lot of them considered it existential. Will be interesting to see how Prime Minister Rutte reacts to this.

apnews.com

Populist Farmer Citizen Movement wins big in Dutch election

A new powerhouse of Dutch right-wing populism has seized the political center stage after winning its first provincial elections.
apnews.com apnews.com
 
Flash said:
Your continue to post about the farmer protests in the Netherlands like it is some sort of existential crisis for them but fail to mention why the government is taking action. It is sort of like fishermen protesting fishing limits, there is good reason behind the policies if you bothered to look beyond the alarmist headlines.
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When I lived in Maine, it was somewhat common (even in the cities) to see a bumper sticker that said something along the lines of "NOAA Fisheries: ruining fishermen's livelihoods since 1970". Without limits, we'd have way fewer fish than we have today.. so yeah.
 
Randy Daytona said:
Considering the results of the Dutch elections Wednesday night, it looks like a lot of them considered it existential. Will be interesting to see how Prime Minister Rutte reacts to this.

apnews.com

Populist Farmer Citizen Movement wins big in Dutch election

A new powerhouse of Dutch right-wing populism has seized the political center stage after winning its first provincial elections.
apnews.com apnews.com
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Existential or not the party only gained control of 20% of the seats in the upper house of parliament, it also happens to be the exact same amount of seats the Green-Labour alliance got. So maybe existential for both sides?

number9 said:
When I lived in Maine, it was somewhat common (even in the cities) to see a bumper sticker that said something along the lines of "NOAA Fisheries: ruining fishermen's livelihoods since 1970". Without limits, we'd have way fewer fish than we have today.. so yeah.
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Of course China is taking care of that worldwide now.
 
number9 said:
Without limits, we'd have way fewer fish than we have today.. so yeah.
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Of course, we have way fewer commercial fisherman today. So there is that. Can't say the signs were wrong. That said, @Flash is right about the Chinese.
 
number9 said:
When I lived in Maine, it was somewhat common (even in the cities) to see a bumper sticker that said something along the lines of "NOAA Fisheries: ruining fishermen's livelihoods since 1970". Without limits, we'd have way fewer fish than we have today.. so yeah.
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We have way fewer fish. We'd probably have no fish otherwise.

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Humans aren't good at long range planning.
 
taxi1 said:
We have way fewer fish. We'd probably have no fish otherwise.

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Humans aren't good at long range planning.
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That's what I meant, thank you for clarifying it. We have fewer now.. we'd have basically zero otherwise.

"Fishing down the food chain" is a real thing. Cod: a biography was a fascinating book.. you read historical accounts of fish numbers and how easy they were to catch then, and now they are (for all intents and purposes) virtually wiped out.
 
Flash said:
Existential or not the party only gained control of 20% of the seats in the upper house of parliament, it also happens to be the exact same amount of seats the Green-Labour alliance got. So maybe existential for both sides?



Of course China is taking care of that worldwide now.
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Are you sure about those numbers being the same?
 
 
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