Europe under extreme duress

[nittany03]

Would you say…

It was a good ride? ?

 

[Randy Daytona]

Not Europe-Russia but rather Germany’s increasing dependance on China. 3 interesting articles out this morning:

Business As Usual: German Companies Ignore Major Risks in China

Critics like Economy Minister Robert Habeck are warning Germany's industrial giants from becoming too dependent on Beijing. But it seems many haven't the learned the lesson from Russia of the perils of doing business with autocratic countries.

www.spiegel.de

Scholz Kowtows to Beijing

On Nov. 3-4, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz will lead a delegation of German business leaders to Beijing, becoming the first G7 leader to visit China since the start of the pandemic. His timing is in

www.realclearworld.com

Scholz Goes It Alone on China | Internationale Politik Quarterly

Having pushed through a deal in which a Chinese state-owned company takes a minority share in one of Hamburg’s port terminals, the German chancellor is getting ready for his solo trip to see President Xi Jinping in Beijing. It is a missed opportunity.

ip-quarterly.com

 

[Random8145]

Here is a funny tongue-in-cheek video done on the Russian T-90 that in light of Russia's invasion has aged pretty well:

 

[Flash]

Note to self, don't mess around with soldier's pay even if you are Russia.

I like how the Communist Party even makes an appearance.

 

[ChuckMK23]

 

[WannaFlyHigh]

So Poland just got whacked by some Russian Missiles. How is everyone else’s Tuesday?

 

[Flash]

So Poland just got whacked by some Russian Missiles. How is everyone else’s Tuesday?

Well, that is what the reports say so far but a lesson I learned long ago about stuff like this is wait for verification.

 

[Griz882]

Well, that is what the reports say so far but a lesson I learned long ago about stuff like this is wait for verification.

This was just changed at Russian Missile Base #14.

 

[nittany03]

Well, that is what the reports say so far but a lesson I learned long ago about stuff like this is wait for verification.

I'll just say if you look at the media reporting and Google Maps, that small Polish village looks just like a spot that one would hit if one were aiming at certain Ukrainian targets/cities and managed to fat-finger the coordinates a few grid squares too far north.

Sucks to suck.

 

[MIDNJAC]

I imagine it was an honest mistake. Much like KAL 007. If it was them, there will be various subsequent Soviet statements made, incrementally backing away from the initial position.

 

[Notanaviator]

Ukrainian S-300s as it turns out. "Sorry folks, WWIII is postponed."

 

[Flash]

Ukrainian S-300s as it turns out. "Sorry folks, WWIII is postponed."View attachment 36719

Hey , look at that...wait 12-24 hours and get a much more complete and accurate story than whatever the hell Twitbooktokdit knows it is.

The bottom line is still the same though, the Russians are still assholes.

 

[wink]

Hey , look at that...wait 12-24 hours and get a much more complete and accurate story than whatever the hell Twitbooktokdit knows it is.

The bottom line is still the same though, the Russians are still assholes.

Only problem, in some scenarios you don't have 12-24 hours. Those are the tough calls.

 

[Flash]

Only problem, in some scenarios you don't have 12-24 hours. Those are the tough calls.

In this context I disagree, unless there is an attack actually underway (outside a war we are directly involved in) taking a step back and figuring out what happened is almost always the better option. That includes almost every significant incident this country has been involved in since I started serving, to include 9/11.

 

[ChuckMK23]

The video proports that there never will be a more efficient way to write down an American adversary - in essence this is a *gift* to be able to fund Ukraine without the political implications of direct combat engagement.

Well reasoned argument and I think its right.