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Blutonski816
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AllAmerican75 said:
CMU-33 AIRSAVE
My understaning is that the Jet guys wear a slightly different one with slots for the Koch fittings on the Harness to fit through...
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CMU-33 AIRSAVE
My understaning is that the Jet guys wear a slightly different one with slots for the Koch fittings on the Harness to fit through...
WHy doesn't the DoD then just have uniformity across the board and make the Navy, AF, Army, and CG all wear the same survival gear and dry suit? It seems like that would keep costs down and provide top notch gear to all the services.
AllAmerican75 said:
Jammn has a good answer. And look at it this way... They did this exact thing for the next gen fighter and Joint Trainer. And look what we have, a single engine fighter going into combat and a non-beta equipped small-wheeled aircraft.
@Chuck:
While I understand your argument (and I think we've had this discussion before), I disagree w/ the details. The SV-2 may be ghetto compared to the AIRSAFE, but in practicality, it's better gear. Try getting near another survivor w/ the -33 and your lobes inflated. It's harder. Try inflating your lobes w/ a broken arm. It's a lot harder to reach the handles. And trying to get to any of the gear on the vest is not as easy, especially the kits that are in the inside pockets. You have to unzip from the bottom and then route around down there, all w/ the lobes blocking your view. It's nice and comfy when you get hoisted, and it's nice to have a load bearing vest when in the cockpit, but there are issues. Then again, maybe that only proves your point.
eddie said:
They could have worked something out but when you try to get something to meet everyones needs it ends up not doing well with anyones.
Something to demonstrate;
For the Navy you are going to need something thats capable and has easy accessibility while in the water (flotation lobes inflated). Now is that requirement going to be vital for Army helo pilots? No, probably not. For that matter jet drivers will have different requirements than helo pilots. Since the Army has mainly helo pilots and the Air Force is jet heavy then it makes sense that they have different gear.
They tried this who standardization in the years after Vietnam and look what they came up with. Utilities that didn't meet the needs of the Army or Marine Corps and more than met the needs of the Air Force, and something that the Navy couldn't use at all other than for security. They also got boots that had the same result. Each service has different missions and different needs, what is wrong with letting each focus and excel on their mission, why does everyone have to be the same?
phrogpilot73
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I agree wholeheartedly! When we had to wear our dry suits, it was nothing but b!tch, moan, and grumble... When our Brit exchange officer put his on, we were all envious... It's the same thing with the body armor in theatre. Originally, we were wearing the Interceptor vest (the Kevlar/SAPI plate combo that our ground bretheren are very familiar with) with our survival gear strapped to it. Then someone at Navair got a whiff of it, and sure enough, we went back to wearing the Airsave... Apparently they think that the heavier, more uncomfortable, movement limiting system that they've approved is better at stopping a bullet. Plus, it's not fire retardent. Our response - "umm, the Phrog that got shot down, they were wearing Interceptors, and only the guy that wasn't wearing flight gloves got really burnt." Fell on deaf ears.ChuckMK23 said: