That could be 6 months’ worth of flying the way things are going for some squadrons these days 😕
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Flight School backed up
- Thread starter Cowgirl
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I love your optimism
Didn't realize it was that low for helos. Hawkeyes is 700 hours, no sim time counts. We seem to also be more timeline based than performance/hours based for upgrades though
Traditionally, it's 500 hours with no sim time for Helos either. And CVW helos aren't really struggling for hours - if anything - they are short on pilots IMO. HSC Exped can struggle depending on timeline and dets.
Can't speak to the HSM side.
The 450 is likely a reflection of both lower hours opportunities for some squadrons and this new ROTR/COPTR/whatever the acronym is for direct-to-helos out of flight school that results in a ned reduction of flight hours from flight school.
It’s sadly the reality for many people leaving the fleet. The average VP guy leaves the fleet with around 900 hours, after scraping by to make Aircraft Commander at 600 hours. Half the helo bubbas in my squadron left the fleet with about 800 hours and we have some Osprey guys that left the fleet at no kidding 500-600 hours. And these are all total time.
This is only going to keep getting worse as the hours in the various CNATRA syllabi keep getting reduced over time, and because PERS-43 apparently now refuses to extend people anymore in their JO Sea tour (And rumor has it that the norm is about to be 33 months or less for initial sea tours).
Oh and this isn’t just bitching about “JOs want more hours to go to the airlines”. It’s “Look at how much experience and tactical proficiency we aren’t getting”.
/Rant over
Hey now those shooter billets ain’t going to fill themselves!It’s sadly the reality for many people leaving the fleet. The average VP guy leaves the fleet with around 900 hours, after scraping by to make Aircraft Commander at 600 hours. Half the helo bubbas in my squadron left the fleet with about 800 hours and we have some Osprey guys that left the fleet at no kidding 500-600 hours. And these are all total time.
This is only going to keep getting worse as the hours in the various CNATRA syllabi keep getting reduced over time, and because PERS-43 apparently now refuses to extend people anymore in their JO Sea tour (And rumor has it that the norm is about to be 33 months or less for initial sea tours).
Oh and this isn’t just bitching about “JOs want more hours to go to the airlines”. It’s “Look at how much experience and tactical proficiency we aren’t getting”.
/Rant over
Oh and fun fact, across all platforms O-5 sea duty for us dirtbag non command screened types is now 30 months vs 24 months. Because retention.
On the one hand - that’s a relief - I had been told 36 months Vice 24…
With that said, I’ve heard through the rumor mill that there is serious consideration to make the terminal O-5s who have completed their sea duty do a sea-shore rotation even past 20 - anyone heard anything? (Previously I understand it was basically you can do unlimited shore duty since there were so many infilled O-5s jobs and the Navy was more like “hey, glad you’re staying past 20.” Correct me if wrong).
Well, short of remaining incurred/obligated service, I don't believe they can make you stay past retirement eligibility......unless that changed
Hey, you can’t talk, Super-JO! 😂
That 30 will turn to 33 real fast
No I get that, and I am certain if this policy is enacted it will result in any non command O-5 staying past 20-21 years, but for those that would be interested in staying for (unlimited) shore duties, this pushes them out too.
Don’t be jealous of my boat dodging skills! They got me back with my last choice on my post DH slate anyways.
All Done!
Commissioned Navy May 2021
Reported to Pensacola as a SNA in July 2021.
Finished NIFE in November 2021.
Assigned to Milton for Primary: July 2022 - October 2022.
Started Primary at Milton November 2022. Solo T6 April 2023.
Primary completer at Milton - July 2023.
Advanced Helo solo - October 2023.
TH-57C Day Navigation Solo/Instrument Navigation Solo - February 2024
Winged - April 2024 Heading to Norfolk
Total time since reporting to Pensacola to Winging? 2 years, 9 months, 11 days
(no down chits or breaks in training the entire time)
Commissioned Navy May 2021
Reported to Pensacola as a SNA in July 2021.
Finished NIFE in November 2021.
Assigned to Milton for Primary: July 2022 - October 2022.
Started Primary at Milton November 2022. Solo T6 April 2023.
Primary completer at Milton - July 2023.
Advanced Helo solo - October 2023.
TH-57C Day Navigation Solo/Instrument Navigation Solo - February 2024
Winged - April 2024 Heading to Norfolk
Total time since reporting to Pensacola to Winging? 2 years, 9 months, 11 days
(no down chits or breaks in training the entire time)
