four year duty?...Is contract negotiation a possibility

[NozeMan]

Plus, I have an uncanny ability to always put my foot in my ass (or so everyone says). Essentially, being blunt in a very negative manner. If you ever get the chance to meet me, you would understand. I'm still waiting to get my ass kicked. I'm sure ass kicking is going to happen pretty soon. Until then, I'm going to be one of those socially estranged, eccentric people who never really knows what to say at any time.

You would not do well in our community. You obviously have no sense of humer, lack a thick skin, can't take criticism, and are narcisistic. You would get an ass kicking (figuratively) in the military, exacerbated by the fact that you completely (admittedly) lack social skills.


Sorry, no negotiating in the military. We tend to look at the military as being a priveledge, you obviously don't see it that way.

 

[HueyCobra8151]

I get the feeling that in your head you are picturing the following scene:
Boss Walks In
Boss: Everybody listen up. I know cui bono is a rookie...but you all could learn a thing or two from him - he was a Marine.
Fellow Officers Nod In Approval While cui bono Looks On With A Sense Of Wisdom Beyond His Years

In reality it would be more like this:
8 hours into a mind-numbingly boring job
Cui bono: You know Jonesy...I spent 2 years in the Marine Corps
Jonesy: Great... ... ... ...Hey, you gonna eat that last donut?

 

[navy09]

I'm currently teaching myself Farsi. As for law school.......I'm having funding issues, especially in this economy.

Right on, I'd stick with that man. That way if LE doesn't work out, you still have something you enjoy (law) to fall back on.

Recently, I met some enlisted navy guys through friends (early twenties) and they seemed very genuine and disciplined. I admired that discipline and decided that maybe substituting law school with the navy wouldn't be a bad idea.

This has been discussed before. On the officer side, you have be self motivated and disciplined on your own. It will be expected of you from day one. If you don't already have that, OCS/flight school/your Chief aren't going to teach you.

 

[HeyJoe]

I actually met an FBI rep at my university's career fair.....he told me to come back in three years (FBI policy)....I decided that maybe substituting law school with the navy wouldn't be a bad idea. But, I'm reconsidering now that I have gotten feedback.

I'm going to be one of those socially estranged, eccentric people who never really knows what to say at any time.

Suspicions confirmed and question* left hanging finally answered

*What's so special about age 24, are you looking at a federal law enforcement position that specifies that age as a minimum?

Certainly, the FBI and other agencies/LE entities value language skills and proficiency that coudl be a key discrimminator in being selected to join the team, but they don't buy into being "socially estranged" or "eccentric people" so my advice to quit wearing that costume and making excuses. You're out of college and what you could get by with there isn't going to help you in the cold, cruel world especially in this economy.

As to going to OCS, being out of shape and eccentric will ostracize you from almost day 1. They won't care how many languages you speak, if you can relate to others under stress and work as a team, you won't make it, period. I don't know if you'll have a shot at substituting Boot Camp to fill in your 3 years as i've never been there. Some Reserve and Guard units grow their own, but they have to want you on the team first.

Not necessarily time to have your ass kicked, but time to hear the wakeup calls that have been sounding for sure.

 

[DanMa1156]

cui bono... don't waste anyone's time. You're not joining the military for the right reason at all. Leading Sailors and Marines is a priviledge and you merely want to use them as a means to your ends. Don't do that. Please, for yours and everyone else's sake, stay away from the military.

A Marine officer once told me that if I was a parent, I wouldn't want to send my kid to a Doctor who didn't study his hardest and didn't actually want to do what he did; and the same applies for parents who allow their kids to become Sailors and Marines to be led by officers of a high caliber who studied hard in order to do what they do and actually WANT to do it. You owe it to them to have that level of dedication. If you're not totally dedicated to their end but instead intend to use them, you're wrong. Don't join. Period.

 

[BackOrdered]

This entire thread can be taken as an affront, in certain contexts. Plus, I have an uncanny ability to always put my foot in my ass (or so everyone says). Essentially, being blunt in a very negative manner. If you ever get the chance to meet me, you would understand. I'm still waiting to get my ass kicked. I'm sure ass kicking is going to happen pretty soon.

This is what I drew from this and this thread so far:

Rather than thinking, "I'm going to be a future officer and leader of men, I should practice tact. Why not start here on a website full of active personnel I may one day work with/for" you are pretty much assuming the position for all the Chiefs and Senior Officers you might piss off or rub the wrong way? But hey, I'm only going to do the minimum time in service anyway to pad my resume, who cares what they think?

Until then, I'm going to be one of those socially estranged, eccentric people who never really knows what to say at any time.

I'm not going to say you won't go to OCS as it isn't my place to say, just say hi to Master Guns for me.

 

[cui bono]

I must say, I am certainly enjoying the feedback. It is important to know how I come off. So far, I'm going to have to make some changes.

You would not do well in our community. You obviously have no sense of humer, lack a thick skin, can't take criticism, and are narcisistic. You would get an ass kicking (figuratively) in the military, exacerbated by the fact that you completely (admittedly) lack social skills.

I'm not really seeing myself as being narcissistic. I do agree with you on my social skills and how they exacerbate things. I much prefer listening to people, learning from their anecdotes, education, family life. I find listening to be far more enjoyable than saying.

I get the feeling that in your head you are picturing the following scene:
Boss Walks In
Boss: Everybody listen up. I know cui bono is a rookie...but you all could learn a thing or two from him - he was a Marine.
Fellow Officers Nod In Approval While cui bono Looks On With A Sense Of Wisdom Beyond His Years In reality it would be more like this:
8 hours into a mind-numbingly boring job
Cui bono: You know Jonesy...I spent 2 years in the Marine Corps
Jonesy: Great... ... ... ...Hey, you gonna eat that last donut?

Once again, I hope I didn't come off as being that pathetically narcissistic. But, if I did, I'm going to need a lot of changing. I actually like the pastries outcome a lot more than the first.

cui bono... don't waste anyone's time. You're not joining the military for the right reason at all. Leading Sailors and Marines is a priviledge and you merely want to use them as a means to your ends. Don't do that. Please, for yours and everyone else's sake, stay away from the military.

A Marine officer once told me that if I was a parent, I wouldn't want to send my kid to a Doctor who didn't study his hardest and didn't actually want to do what he did; and the same applies for parents who allow their kids to become Sailors and Marines to be led by officers of a high caliber who studied hard in order to do what they do and actually WANT to do it. You owe it to them to have that level of dedication. If you're not totally dedicated to their end but instead intend to use them, you're wrong. Don't join. Period.

I completely agree.

Certainly, the FBI and other agencies/LE entities value language skills and proficiency that coudl be a key discrimminator in being selected to join the team, but they don't buy into being "socially estranged" or "eccentric people" so my advice to quit wearing that costume and making excuses. You're out of college and what you could get by with there isn't going to help you in the cold, cruel world especially in this economy.

As to going to OCS, being out of shape and eccentric will ostracize you from almost day 1. They won't care how many languages you speak, if you can relate to others under stress and work as a team, you won't make it, period. I don't know if you'll have a shot at substituting Boot Camp to fill in your 3 years as i've never been there. Some Reserve and Guard units grow their own, but they have to want you on the team first.

Not necessarily time to have your ass kicked, but time to hear the wakeup calls that have been sounding for sure.

Yeah, the wake up calls have been going off. I've been watching my mannerisms in public. I have a few things to work on, especially my excess cursing. From what I'm getting here, I come off as being narcissistic or the antithesis of narcissistic. Other things to consider. I am thankful for the responses I'm clearly not military material.

 

[navy09]

...I'm clearly not military material.

Roger that, I think we've reached a consensus.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think that being awkward, narcissistic, and 'not a team player,' makes you a good fit for a law enforcement position? Are you interested in a sworn position? Or an analyst position (i.e. language proficiency)?

Either way, all these fields require 'people skills.' Suggest you figure out your social issues and proceed from there...

 

[cui bono]

Well, I don't think I'm really that narcissistic. I though I was pretty much an average nobody. But the thread is making me re-think that. As for the whole awkward thing. When I'm in small groups, I'm o.k. When I'm in large parties, I tend to get nervous and my speech becomes disjointed and my palms and forehead begins to get sweaty. But, If I'm in a small group, I'm just fine. The only problem I've really had when I'm on a team is when people try dumping their share of work on me. But, I usually tell them to pick up their own weight and if that doesn't work, I tell the professor who was the slacker. I hate moochers. I have occasional problems with big open places. From time to time, I get nervous and panicky, unless I'm with someone I know. Lately, I've been improving on that. I just like being low-key.

Either way, all these fields require 'people skills.' Suggest you figure out your social issues and proceed from there...

I can interact with small groups and individuals just fine. Other than that and I start to get a little edgy. I'm horrible when it comes to giving public or class speeches. The only real way to cure that is to do it more.......it is a work in progress.

 

[P3 F0]

Large parties of people, having to do more work than you might think is fair, big open places like the middle of the ocean, speeches and briefs.... no, you won't see any of that while in the Navy.

BTW, there's a difference between being socially awkward in a good way, and being socially awkward in a "Just-Ignore-The-Tool-In-The-Corner" way. I'd put that at the top of your To Do list.

 

[cui bono]

BTW, there's a difference between being socially awkward in a good way, and being socially awkward in a "Just-Ignore-The-Tool-In-The-Corner" way. I'd put that at the top of your To Do list.

Yeah, I've been a "tool" on occasion. Needless to say, I've grown to hate those individuals and plan on screwing them over at some point in my life. As for the other definition of tool, I don't find it to be applicable to me.

 

[HueyCobra8151]

Why would you "plan on screwing someone over at some point?"

Every time you post it comes off as abrasive and people respond abrasively. Maybe you should just lurk for a bit and learn through the search function.

BTW, People can say what they will, but if you are a hard-worker that is probably 75-90% of it in my book. If your personality sucks, just bust your ass at work and keep your mouth shut for awhile until you get in the swing of things. The military is good at "adjusting" people.

 

[phrogpilot73]

Every time you post it comes off as abrasive and people respond abrasively. Maybe you should just lurk for a bit and learn through the search function.

As enjoyable as this train wreck has been to watch, Huey has some excellent advice for you. Beyond that - this forum isn't to be used for group therapy to help make up for any lack of social skills on anyone's part.

 

[HeyJoe]

Last piece of advice, check out Wink's breaking news on OCS Boards for FY09. Not much left and window is closing rapidly for what is remaining. Since you're out of shape and haven't gotten your paperwork in order, you're looking at a year from now at best if you can get yourself into decent shape and your friends from Kindergarten don't rat you out.