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Future USS Doris Miller (CVN 81)

WhiskeySierra6 said:
If people aren't fond of Doris Miller as a name I can't even imagine how they feel about CVN-82.
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Ships should not be named after living people. Lots of political pressure to get the ships to sea before the brain rot sets in or the namesakes die creating a lot of opportunities for contractors, senior navy leadership etc. to commit fraud- which, historically, they seem to have no problem doing.
 
Llarry said:
The selection of the name for CVN 81 of the Ford class gives me heartburn. Aircraft carriers are named after exceptionally distinguished Americans or (traditionally) famous battles. Mess Attendant 2nd Class Miller demonstrated great courage and achievement on 7 December 1941 and was awarded the Navy Cross for his actions that day. It seems to me that it would be entirely appropriate for a destroyer to be named after such a hero. Had Miller been a senior flag officer who orchestrated a victory at Midway or Leyte Gulf or the like, I think it would be entirely appropriate to name a carrier after him. Of course, as we know, there were no African American senior flag officers in the Navy at the time -- a reflection of our flawed society.

I suspect that it is too late to correct this "mistake". Substituting a new name would create a furor and exacerbate already-fraught race relations in this country. But it was the wrong thing to do at the time.

A former whitehat -- standing by for incoming fire.
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hlg6016 said:
Better to name a carrier after a warrior than a politician. (My quote)
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Sarcasm -

Yes yes. Let’s look at the Valiant senator from Mississippi, John C. Stennis and the VICTORIES he has won in Battle. A Total Hero, the Best there ever Was. He literally ended WW2, Korea, and Vietnam and Saved America! And he Definitely the right guy to name a capital ship after Because he was on committee that Money for the ship defense was Determined a while ago not too long ago but sometime ago and totally successful. Just don’t look at his record of Trying to stop desegregation big LOSER on that one.

Dorris Miller, what did he ever do? They say the machine gun was right there, all he did was walk up to it and pull the trigger. They say you didn’t even have to aim because They were everywhere that day. They Surprised us. They are Good at Surprises, aren’t they! I could have done it if I were there. Just Bang Bang you know. I shot down Hundreds of Chinese planes that day, you know? I didn’t get an award for it though because it was Rigged.

- end sarcasm.
 
Llarry said:
The selection of the name for CVN 81 of the Ford class gives me heartburn. Aircraft carriers are named after exceptionally distinguished Americans or (traditionally) famous battles. Mess Attendant 2nd Class Miller demonstrated great courage and achievement on 7 December 1941 and was awarded the Navy Cross for his actions that day. It seems to me that it would be entirely appropriate for a destroyer to be named after such a hero. Had Miller been a senior flag officer who orchestrated a victory at Midway or Leyte Gulf or the like, I think it would be entirely appropriate to name a carrier after him. Of course, as we know, there were no African American senior flag officers in the Navy at the time -- a reflection of our flawed society.

I suspect that it is too late to correct this "mistake". Substituting a new name would create a furor and exacerbate already-fraught race relations in this country. But it was the wrong thing to do at the time.

A former whitehat -- standing by for incoming fire.
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The only "mistake" here is you trying to pass "Aircraft carriers are named after exceptionally distinguished Americans.." as a factual statement. If you think Stennis did anything in his life more exceptional than Doris Miller, please elaborate.

Doris Miller represents more than just a heroic individual. He represents how every Sailor matters. No matter if you're in the garbage room, mess halls, flight deck, or flying sorties... everyone contributes to the fight. In GQ, everyone fights. He represents that ideal. That ideal is more exceptional than any Admiral or schmuck politician.
 
Sonog said:
The only "mistake" here is you trying to pass "Aircraft carriers are named after exceptionally distinguished Americans.." as a factual statement. If you think Stennis did anything in his life more exceptional than Doris Miller, please elaborate.

Doris Miller represents more than just a heroic individual. He represents how every Sailor matters. No matter if you're in the garbage room, mess halls, flight deck, or flying sorties... everyone contributes to the fight. In GQ, everyone fights. He represents that ideal. That ideal is more exceptional than any Admiral or schmuck politician.
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Also, fuck this modern conservative assault on DEI. Representation MATTERS.
 
Sonog said:
Also, fuck this modern conservative assault on DEI. Representation MATTERS.
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Peekskill1941 said:
There were times it got taken way too far and it backfired - I don’t think the “middle” of America really ever liked it much either.
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Both things can be true. It’s actually possible to promote representation and equality without completely re-writing the English language and shaming people. The Democrat party needs to do a better job of grasping that. I feel like it’s being run by too many overprivileged Berkeley grads who think the whole world should be just like them. We don’t need new acronym stew. We need people to start working with their neighbors again, and putting some weight behind the concept of citizenship.

On the other hand, what Trump has brought is naked fascism, backed by the fears and insecurities of Silicon Valley billionaires… so there’s that.
 
sevenhelmet said:
Both things can be true. It’s actually possible to promote representation and equality without completely re-writing the English language and shaming people. The Democrat party needs to do a better job of grasping that. I feel like it’s being run by too many overprivileged Berkeley grads who think the whole world should be just like them.
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I think that it's important to distinguish between Democrat politicians / party platform and Democrat voters.

The vast majority of Democrat politicians are not itching to pass legislation to add pronouns to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. But there is a subset of their voters who are the Yang to the religious conservative Yin.

I think that the difference is that the GOP after Obama's administration has really distanced itself from the religious conservative platform in a way Democrats haven't done with entitled Berkeley grads who think they can decide what gender to be while brushing their teeth in the morning while lacking any self-awareness how this harms people who actually have gender dysphoria, and that being "gender fluid" makes their "oppressed" life experience the same as someone who grew up on the streets in South Jamaica.

What Democrats need to wrestle with more than "progressives" is that Trump split Hispanic voters and got 15% of black voters. Was Kamala that bad, or are non-white voters rejecting DEI?
 
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Llarry said:
The selection of the name for CVN 81 of the Ford class gives me heartburn. Aircraft carriers are named after exceptionally distinguished Americans or (traditionally) famous battles. Mess Attendant 2nd Class Miller demonstrated great courage and achievement on 7 December 1941 and was awarded the Navy Cross for his actions that day. It seems to me that it would be entirely appropriate for a destroyer to be named after such a hero. Had Miller been a senior flag officer who orchestrated a victory at Midway or Leyte Gulf or the like, I think it would be entirely appropriate to name a carrier after him. Of course, as we know, there were no African American senior flag officers in the Navy at the time -- a reflection of our flawed society.

I suspect that it is too late to correct this "mistake". Substituting a new name would create a furor and exacerbate already-fraught race relations in this country. But it was the wrong thing to do at the time.

A former whitehat -- standing by for incoming fire.
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Pick another hill to die on.

Even our adversaries haven't named so many navy ships after politicians, many of whom had and have dubious worth.
 
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