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G650 Rollout This Morning

scoolbubba

Brett327 gargles ballsacks
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Not true. P-3s have been known to, on occasion, fly upside down as well as spin.

Just not on purpose.
 

Random8145

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Yes, but how much to operate a 767 versus the 650? ;)

Well when you're that rich, I don't think it matters a whole lot, however from what I have read, the 767 is pretty cost-efficient.

I'll also get me a nice private helicopter and P-51 Mustang, along with some other WWII airplanes as well, if/when wealthy enough.

Also one of these: http://66.83.181.250:8080/db/ussubs/live/submarines/phoenix_1000.php3 :)

...Wayne Huizenga...

One of my entrepreneur heroes! The only man to float six companies on the New York Stock Exchange, three of which became billion-dollar companies. Worth something like $2 billion.
 

HAL Pilot

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Personally, I've always been a fan of the Piaggio Avanti P-180
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BTDT - it's a little hot rod but has weight & balance issues. Sips the gas though.

Only plane I've flown where you applied forward pressure on the yoke to flare.
 

USMCFLYR

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Sleek-looking aircraft, but if/when I get the $$$, I think I'll just spring for a Boeing 767. Not as slick-looking, I am guessing not as fast either, but very luxurious and roomy :)

When the G650 comes on-line it will be the fastest bizjet on the market (0.92) - squeaking out a bit more speed than the Citation X (0.90). What an amazing airframe. I'm a fan of the EASy cockpit of the Falcon 7X (retro'ed to other aircraft now), but I'm sure the G650 will have something spectacular.

USMCFLYR
 

HAL Pilot

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^ The center of balance on the Piaggio is aft the main wing. The only place in the cabin at the center of balance is the lav and coat closet in the back. The cargo compartment is aft the CB but with a very short mment arm. So with the pilot(s) at the very forward (longest moment arm) along with anything more than about 2 pax (medium length moment arm), you quickly go out of CG at the front of the envelope.

Since you are always flying with a nose heavy plane, you use a lot of back pressure / nose up trim on approach and landing. As you slow down, you have to increase AOA to maintain your lift. With the pusher props, you lose more than normal airflow over the wings as you slow = more nose up / AOA. Than you hit ground effect and the forward wing pushes the nose even higher. The sum total is when you hit ground effect, you have to give it positive forward pressure or the nose will never come down and you will just float along in ground effect.
 

PropAddict

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More evidence of why Canards are a terrible idea.

I'm curious if the Beech Starship had similar handling characteristics. I've never heard it before, but I have been told it was a dream to fly.
 
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