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Gates gone -- Panetta at DOD, Patraeus to CIA

Flying Toaster

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Petreus is on record as not being interested in running for political office.

Not necessarily the case here, but when people talk about "not being interested" in political office I can't help but think of this quote.

Uh-huh. And the check's in the mail and I never exceeded max G and of course the car's never been in an accident and I won't cum in you, baby, I swear...
 

Brett327

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I dont know what Fog meant by that comment, so I won't speculate, but there may have been some inadvertent truth to his statement...

Petraeus may not want to run for political office, but that doesn't mean he couldn't be a political threat.

I dont know what the Generals politics are but with the 2012 election coming up the President may have wanted to take him out of the equation... Imagine worst case for the President the General, after having retired from the Army just ahead of the election, becomes very critical of the Obama administration and is outspoken. VERY Damaging.

Medium / bad case scenario the General endorses the Republican nominee. Public opinion of the General has been pretty high, that could sway A LOT of voters, and you can bet CNN, FOX, MSNBC would be all over that endorsement.

As CIA director he is off the board so to speak...

Great points, and I don't disagree, but I hardly think that that was part of the President's calculation. It implies a degree of sophistication and cunning that I've not seen this administration demonstrate.

Brett
 

statesman

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It implies a degree of sophistication and cunning that I've not seen this administration demonstrate.

Brett

No comment....

However I would bet they were trying to put someone up (at least for the CIA Director), that would avoid a confirmation fight before the election. I seriously doubt any Republican is going to start a fight over Petraeus.

SEDEF on the other hand I could see a fight over that one. I expect Republicans to start a fight over national security. This guy sat as CoS for President Clinton during the 90's and many news outlets have said his experience dismantling defense during that time as a major strength of his in relation to this new job. We'll see... said the Zen master.
 

wink

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...SEDEF on the other hand I could see a fight over that one. I expect Republicans to start a fight over national security. This guy sat as CoS for President Clinton during the 90's and many news outlets have said his experience dismantling defense during that time as a major strength of his in relation to this new job. We'll see... said the Zen master.
Typically, you don't get confirmation fights over former colleagues. That is one reason why former senators are chosen for tough fills. The true test will come when a recent former senator is chosen for the Supreme Court. Not to thread jack, but Jon Kyle was on Dubbya's short list twice. He is retiring from the senate. If the President is a one termer, look for Kyle to be nominated to the Supremes.
 

Brett327

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Typically, you don't get confirmation fights over former colleagues. That is one reason why former senators are chosen for tough fills. The true test will come when a recent former senator is chosen for the Supreme Court. Not to thread jack, but Jon Kyle was on Dubbya's short list twice. He is retiring from the senate. If the President is a one termer, look for Kyle to be nominated to the Supremes.

I heard that at least 90% of the cases heard by SCOTUS are abortion related. I think that's common knowledges. :D

Brett
 

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Maybe not the cases... But we can't say the same thing for confirmation hearings...

Roe v. Wade seems to be issue number 1 in most SCOTUS hearings.
 

Random8145

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Patraeus doesn't strike me as the type who, upon retiring, would become very outspoken and critical of Obama. I think part of his popularity is because he is pretty apolitical. I also don't know if he would run against his former boss (if he intends to run for President someday) because that could be seen as a betrayal.

Maybe not the cases... But we can't say the same thing for confirmation hearings...

Roe v. Wade seems to be issue number 1 in most SCOTUS hearings.

Shouldn't this one be fairly simple though (for the politicians I mean)? A Republican president will usually nominate a pro-life person (or someone whom they think is a pro-life person) and a Democratic president will nominate a pro-choice person, right?
 

Flash

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Probably something about the fact he has close to zero experience handling defense and his resume just shouts of political hack. Even if the CIA absolutely hated what he did, it would seem the nature of their work prevents them complaining all that much. It also wouldn't be much of a stretch to say he either knew, or could see the writing was on the wall he would be the next SECDEF and avoided stepping on too many toes. That being said, it's a lot less him and more that he's an indicator of what's coming.

Don't read the news much, do you? There was a flood of bad press around Porter Goss and his short reign at the CIA and much of the info about him came from sources within the agency. After some initial hesitancy that was voiced about General Hayden not much controversy cropped about his directorship and the same can be said about Panetta. While it is not exactly a ringing endorsement both apparently turned out better than some had feared.

How would you go about a wholesale gutting of our armed forces? A first logical step would involve appointing a political hack who is politically "saavy" (CNN's word on why he's a good choice), knows very little about defense, doesn't care about defense, but knows the legislative "process." All speculation and opinion on my part, but it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's coming...

The same label of 'political hack' can be said about many SECDEFs over the years, arguable most and that includes Rumsfeld, but shockingly enough political savvy seems to be an essential part of the job. It is a little surprising to me that so many people forget that Rumsfeld came in with a mandate to significantly change the armed forces and before 9/11 it appeared that it would include cuts, carriers were apparently one asset on the chopping block during some defense planning the spring and summer of 2001. As for labeling him as someone who 'doesn't care about defense', a bit bold when you don't know him personally. Also interesting since he has presided over an agency responsible for killing a large number of terrorists under his tenure.
 
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