Or a helicopter on a giant record player.....
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Going supersonic in the vertical
- Thread starter museic
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Or a helicopter on a giant record player.....
I can't believe they even tested that myth on mythbusters, I thought they'd know that lift has something to do with wind over the wings, not rolling forward. I'm gonna have to search for WHY that topic's worn out, all I know so far is that it is. Anyone care to explain it?Thought so..
I can explain why they did it on Mythbusters - because it's freaking cool to do big science like that. Big dirty fun.
I just want to point out that while museic attempts to throw out engineer-speak to attempt to talk over all our heads to fabricate some credibility for his ridiculous ideas, he wrote "aloud" in his second post while attempting to write "allowed".
Reading a couple technical terms in popular science doesn't make you an aeronautical engineer.
So relax about thrust to weight ratios and parasite drag. When you can't master basic spelling and grammar, it just appears incongruent and your stupidity becomes transparent.
Now with that, it appears with all the responses that the answer to your question is: NO.
-Astronautical Engineer and retarded helo bubba
Reading a couple technical terms in popular science doesn't make you an aeronautical engineer.
So relax about thrust to weight ratios and parasite drag. When you can't master basic spelling and grammar, it just appears incongruent and your stupidity becomes transparent.
Now with that, it appears with all the responses that the answer to your question is: NO.
-Astronautical Engineer and retarded helo bubba
Is Engineer something you get to call yourself for life, no matter if you don't really do it anymore?
Hmmm, I'd like to see that.....I know what I've been to in the Hornet....in a dive....unloaded....in full burner.....and it's WAY different than 1.8.
I had heard he F-15 could accelerate in the vertical like a champ, ie park the nose up after takeoff at like 300 kts and be at 450 by like 35K, but I was in Primary eavesdropping when I heard this, I still standby that no fighter goes mach 1 in the vertical........and specifically said "fighter" in the first post knowing full well something with NASA on the side can do much more.
But...but...but...he can PROVE that you can! With MATH!
Come on, all you Aero geeks. You've got people with actual jet-piloting experience telling you it's not possible. Trying to argue whether it's "theoretically" possible is like saying you can't swim, but you know the theory. Even if it's true, so what?
I guarantee you that Eagles and Hornets aren't capable of acceleration to supersonic in the pure vertical.
Sounds like 69% of the people posting in this thread have never even been supersonic, and thus they have no idea what it takes to get -- and keep -- a fighter there.
If they had, they'd realize what a ludicrous concept it is.
Sounds like 69% of the people posting in this thread have never even been supersonic, and thus they have no idea what it takes to get -- and keep -- a fighter there.
If they had, they'd realize what a ludicrous concept it is.
That's what she said.
darrylcn
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Fair enough!
And I have a hard time figuring out why you'd even want to do that in the first place.
Aircraft are designed to do certain tasks and their attributes allow them to do cool things in airshows. But airshow stunts like the "Cobra" aren't tactically relevant just like needing to go supersonic in the vertical.
Some people say "Speed is Life", but too much speed in certain aspects isn't good. Speed is a good thing when trying to "bug" horizontally, but that same speed would be baggage if you're trying to go same circle trying against an opponent. Going supersonic vertically will put you above a fight, but also makes you a hot target against a cold sky and a heater magnet unless there is a cloud to hide you.
What are these things called "tactics" you speak of, heyjoe? I never read about them in Aviation Week or Air & Space.
The reason they're saying it's "theoretically possible" is because they're only focusing on the T/W aspect of the engineering problem and ignoring just about everything else. If that's the case, then they're not actual engineers, they're just "armchair engineers". This is like only understanding the concept of bouyancy and trying to explain how people can swim.
FW aero is one thing, you want to see craziness....look at RW aero. Obviously helos can fly, but no one's quite sure why (they understand the macro, just not the micro).