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[Gatordev]

Yay for 1.06 as an old SAR guy, but 1.82 (or 1.85) is probably garbage, if it's referring to ESM. We deleted it from NAWDC's mind on the HSM/HSC side 7 years ago. RF horizon is geometric limit, it doesn't matter if you're active or passive, one-way or round-trip. RF horizon is the same for a given frequency and path/environment.

Okay, technically I had a fourth number, but I wasn't sure if it was releasable. I was taught 1.5, though other than in the sim, there was never a practicable way to test it in the real world because there was always some sort of ducting going on.

 

[UMichfly]

This latest threadjack feels like it should be a conversation with you guys' therapists regarding MPRA/HSL induced Stockholm Syndrome...

 

[IKE]

Okay, technically I had a fourth number, but I wasn't sure if it was releasable. I was taught 1.5, though other than in the sim, there was never a practicable way to test it in the real world because there was always some sort of ducting going on.

It comes from an unclass/releasable pub out of Mugu or China Lake decades ago. 1.85 comes from 1.5×1.23. I think 1.5 was an old rule of thumb for low-freq ESM vs. high-freq, power-limited radars. The real answer is always more complicated, and IMO, it's always better to have less information than false information.

 

[Brett327]

It comes from an unclass/releasable pub out of Mugu or China Lake decades ago. 1.85 comes from 1.5×1.23. I think 1.5 was an old rule of thumb for low-freq ESM vs. high-freq, power-limited radars. The real answer is always more complicated, and IMO, it's always better to have less information than false information.

The real question is whether anyone in the history of Naval Aviation has ever used those numbers to make a tactically significant decision. I suspect not.

 

[Randy Daytona]

I’ve been following this via another news source and the situation is a mess. Basically, when Great Britain declared sovereignty over British Columbia in 1846, it never signed treaties with the native people in the region, and so they technically never surrendered their land rights. But that didn’t stop governments from handing parcels of land to settlers, municipalities, and federal agencies anyway, which built a new property system right on top of the old one. Because government proclamations carry official weight the court allows that land acknowledgment exercises (often heard here in the U.S. at academic venues) that mention “unceded” lands could carry legal weight.

Here in the U.S. we (luckily) managed to avoid this by recognizing tribal governments existed and getting them (usually by force) to cede lands in exchange for money, goods, and or reservations. Not exactly nice, but theoretically legal.

Happened to see this in the news. How much do you think property rights figured in B.C.’s election?

Separately, in 2025, a B.C. trial court delivered a ruling known as Cowichan, which recognized Aboriginal title to about 300 hectares of land in Richmond, B.C., including parcels of private land.

The court in that case did not invalidate private property rights. But it did say that key Land Title Actprotections do not shield private property against claims of Aboriginal title.

‘An eternity of agony’: How property rights factor into the B.C. election

A new coalition wants candidates to pledge to better protect private property rights at the expense of Indigenous rights

www.canadianaffairs.news

 

[Griz882]

Happened to see this in the news. How much do you think property rights figured in B.C.’s election?

It’s hard to say. I imagine that right now the land rights issue under DRIP appear to be limited in terms of geography and reach. Still, once tribal governments start demanding a say in more important public and private infrastructure things are bound to get messy when it comes to politics.

 

[Flash]

Happened to see this in the news. How much do you think property rights figured in B.C.’s election?

It’s hard to say. I imagine that right now the land rights issue under DRIP appear to be limited in terms of geography and reach. Still, once tribal governments start demanding a say in more important public and private infrastructure things are bound to get messy when it comes to politics.

Probably not too much, as with the upcoming election down here economic uncertainty likely was a much bigger factor along with fatigue with NDP rule of the last 9 or so years. The challenge now for 'Premier-elect' and his party is to deliver the promises to improve services while cutting taxes.