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Hard Power and Soft Power

robav8r

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Concur. The real issue is the process and oversight that was missing in disbursing those funds to USAID.
 

Duc'-guy25

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They are one of the biggest economies in the world, the Indian government can fund that for themselves. I love the fallacy you’re pushing. Why is it americas job?
I feel like this is a stupid question in a thread about soft power.

Edit to avoid complete snarkiness:

We invest in other countries in order to develop favorable opinions of the US, which enhances our ability to interact and sway actions to favor our interest. In India, I would argue, it is relatively critical to keep them from becoming enveloped by Russian influence and hard power (aka their only power). Additionally, I would say keeping India closer to us, and further from say…the PRC is drastically in our interest.

While it may seem silly to you, it was probably a relatively low cost to the US to develop some public favorable opinion in India.

The picture is bigger than USA good, trannies bad dude, which is why this massive shift in government priorities is concerning. Unless you want us to pull back to inside our borders and give up 90% of our influence on the global stage. If that’s the case I suggest you read about 1930-1941 foreign policy and the result of it.
 
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robav8r

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Actually I just clicked the link that you were too lazy to do yourself.

Wrong question

The question to always ask is why is it in America's interest. The answer is in order to project soft power. To influence in our favor.
No, not when we're $37T in debt. There's lots of shit that could, and should be, in "Americas interest" but not at the expense of a debt burden that prevents us from addressing the strategic issues affecting us here at home.
 

taxi1

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No, not when we're $37T in debt. There's lots of shit that could, and should be, in "Americas interest" but not at the expense of a debt burden that prevents us from addressing the strategic issues affecting us here at home.


Fletcher Security Review: At a time of hard power, when militaristic and belligerent forces seem to be on the rise, how important is soft power?

Joseph Nye: The best answer to that is given by Secretary of Defense James Mattis, who was a general, when he said to the Congress, “If you cut back on soft power, you’re going to have to buy me more bullets.”
 

Bad_Karma_1310

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No, not when we're $37T in debt. There's lots of shit that could, and should be, in "Americas interest" but not at the expense of a debt burden that prevents us from addressing the strategic issues affecting us here at home.
This argument would be more valid if the current fight in Congress wasn’t to add trillions to the debt in order to cut taxes.
 

robav8r

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Fletcher Security Review: At a time of hard power, when militaristic and belligerent forces seem to be on the rise, how important is soft power?

Joseph Nye: The best answer to that is given by Secretary of Defense James Mattis, who was a general, when he said to the Congress, “If you cut back on soft power, you’re going to have to buy me more bullets.”
I get your point, and don't disagree entirely. But don't try and convince me that what USAID and all the NGOs were spending tax dollars on could classified as "Soft Power."
 

taxi1

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I get your point, and don't disagree entirely. But don't try and convince me that what USAID and all the NGOs were spending tax dollars on could classified as "Soft Power."
I'm 100% on board with you that Congress didn't do their job in exercising oversight of the dollars they allocated. I get the sense, though, that they'd rather exploit the outrage opportunity than do that oversight. Fun Fox News hits versus boring meetings in the Capitol building.
 

Yardstick

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I feel like this is a stupid question in a thread about soft power.

Edit to avoid complete snarkiness:

We invest in other countries in order to develop favorable opinions of the US, which enhances our ability to interact and sway actions to favor our interest. In India, I would argue, it is relatively critical to keep them from becoming enveloped by Russian influence and hard power (aka their only power). Additionally, I would say keeping India closer to us, and further from say…the PRC is drastically in our interest.

While it may seem silly to you, it was probably a relatively low cost to the US to develop some public favorable opinion in India.

The picture is bigger than USA good, trannies bad dude, which is why this massive shift in government priorities is concerning. Unless you want us to pull back to inside our borders and give up 90% of our influence on the global stage. If that’s the case I suggest you read about 1930-1941 foreign policy and the result of it.
Nope, India can finance all that bs themself. Giving money to a poor country in Africa? Sure, sign me up. Giving it to a country that works against us for their own interests? Nope they can finance that themselves
 

Yardstick

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Actually I just clicked the link that you were too lazy to do yourself.

Wrong question

The question to always ask is why is it in America's interest. The answer is in order to project soft power. To influence in our favor.
Sorry, funding left wing social causes in rich countries is a joke that deserved to be cut. The next four years are going to be tough for you
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
We invest in other countries in order to develop favorable opinions of the US, which enhances our ability to interact and sway actions to favor our interest. In India, I would argue, it is relatively critical to keep them from becoming enveloped by Russian influence and hard power (aka their only power). Additionally, I would say keeping India closer to us, and further from say…the PRC is drastically in our interest.
Except time and again, this proves to be worthless. As soon as we want to wean a country off of US funding, they turn on us.

The business model where someone gives a customer a good deal so that they become loyal and tell all their friends about it is a uniquely American concept.
 

Max Q

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The next four years are going to be tough for Us
Fixed that for you.
DOGE has already come through my building. They will trim the fat of the warfighter by amputating a leg to get to the stomach

Except time and again, this proves to be worthless. As soon as we want to wean a country off of US funding, they turn on us.
Is it better to have a temporary ally during a time of need, than no ally at all?
 
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