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have NFO contract, want pilot contract, to be commissioned/shipped to TBS ASAP

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theduke

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ok, first of all, i don't know if this is the best forum to pose this question in (maybe general naval aviation or the NFO forum would be better), but this question will be somewhat specific to a Marine aviator.

i just graduated in May from N.C. State (degree in mechanical engineering). still not commissioned, although they're saying that i'll likely get my bars on 28 Aug and shipped to TBS on 2 Sept (although all of that is speculative at this point, and we're running out of time to make September class!)

A couple of years ago, i switched from a ground contract to an NFO contract. However, since i've wanted to be a fighter pilot since i was probably elementary school age, I got PRK (seeing 20/15 now, instead of 20/30 with astigmatism before). My paperwork situation has been a major SNAFU, but i finally got word a couple of days ago that i'm officially physically qualified as both a pilot and NFO.

the rub is this: i submitted an application to switch to a pilot contract, and while i'm qualified, they denied it. the reason is that, with the end of the fiscal year quickly approaching, they needed to fill the NFO quota with the quickness. now, i know they they're hurting for pilots, but apparently they need NFO's even worse. it sounds to me like maybe someone's just trying to cook the books, though.

now, these are the potential outcomes i see:

1. get sent to TBS on 2 Sept as an NFO contract. this is what my OSO views as the overwhelmingly likely option.

2. they drop the ball again, and i don't go to TBS until november.

if option #1 is what happens, i'll try to switch to pilot at TBS. if that doesn't work, i'm debating on whether i should stay NFO contract and try to switch at flight school, and if that doesn't work, become an NFO...or drop the NFO contract for a ground contract, and put pilot at the top of my MOS wishlist, followed by tanks, arty, and infantry (and maybe ground intel). all of that depends on how likely a switch to pilot at flight school is, and what i decide i'd rather be (ground officer or NFO-which at this point, i'm not sure of).

if option #2 comes to fruition, then obviously i try to switch to pilot again, since they won't be getting me as an NFO by the end of the fiscal year anyway (and if approved, i suppose i'd be going to quantico for IFS pretty soon). if that doesn't work, then i'm right back into the possible scenarios of #1.

sorry for being verbose, but it's a damned oddball situation. any words of advice about any of this?
 

Clux4

Banned
I will advice that you should not try and go to TBS with an NFO contract with the intention of changing over. I don't think things work out like that in the Marine Corps.
If I were you, I would just wait till I can get a flight contract. All this will depend on how bad you want to fly. If you don't have too much of a problem with an NFO contract then you can to TBS with an NFO contract and see if you can change it.

But I will let all the folk at Advanced help you better.
 

theduke

Registered User
that's not really an option. i can't just pull a Phillip Rivers/San Diego Chargers deal and refuse to sign until they meet my terms!
 

el_bastardo

Registered User
Why did you submit a package for NFO when you wanted a SNA slot?

If you drop your contract at TBS, remember it's luck of the draw to get SNA. Just as likely to get adjutant or ground supply. Once you get down to Pensacola, you could probably submit the paperwork again IOT change your contract.

So best case in Florida, SNA. If the paperwork is a no go, you get to train for NFO. Either case, you get to learn how to fly in the major leagues and have the greatest job on Earth, being a Marine.
 

Clux4

Banned
lol,...........See if you can get a flight contract in September which is the beginning of the next physical year.
I did not mean that you should refuse to go to TBS. I was just trying to stress out the importance of getting what you want before you leave for TBS.

Don't pull a Phillip Rivers/San Diego Chargers deal. It will not work in anycase.

By the way, I like the Chargers
 

theduke

Registered User
well, i submitted the NFO package a couple of years ago, after i did PLC Jrs. at the time, i couldn't be a pilot because of my eyes (acuity was ok, but astigmatism was slightly out of limits). seems like maybe at the time a doctor told me that PRK wouldn't fix my problem, but i can't remember. at any rate, it's fixed. i'm PQ'd.

i was told that the NFO contract was non-binding to me, and binding (or as binding as anything is) to the USMC...which is true-i can drop NFO. it just didn't occur to me that it could actually work against me like this!

If you drop your contract at TBS, remember it's luck of the draw to get SNA. Just as likely to get adjutant or ground supply. Once you get down to Pensacola, you could probably submit the paperwork again IOT change your contract.

So best case in Florida, SNA. If the paperwork is a no go, you get to train for NFO. Either case, you get to learn how to fly in the major leagues and have the greatest job on Earth, being a Marine.

yeah, there are certainly worse jobs than NFO! adj and supply come immediately to mind! on the other hand, if it looks like i have very little chance of switching to pilot, and i feel like i have pretty good odds of going tanks, arty, 03, etc, i'd have a tough decision to make.

am i totally misguided about NFO's? as far as i know, they only do a rudimentary amount of actual flight training. basically just enough that they can "speak the language" to the pilot and know what's going on.

and yeah, being a Marine officer puts you in good company, no matter what your MOS...but i'm an adrenaline junkie and a fighter if there ever was one. i want a high speed job where i'm either pulling the trigger on people who suck, or at least am in the middle of it, having my men pull the trigger for me. i'll do a helluva job at whatever assignment i draw, but i signed with the Marines to get into the fray.
 

Dustball

2nd LT
If your PLC your OSO's blowing sunshine up your a** if you think you'll get a Sep TBS slot. If you havn't been commissioned yet your at the bottom of the PLC list for a TBS slot and there are at least a three or four hundred commissioned officers waiting right now plus 186 graduates tommorow and they will be picking up most of the slots. You'll be lucky to get in the Nov class. If I were you I wouldn't worry about trying to make a certain class if you want pilot take your time and let the paperwork work itself out.
 

USMCBebop

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Looks like you're SOL for now. There have been instances where NFOs have become Aviators. I wouldn't try to switch over at TBS though (unless you're the next Chesty Puller).
 

theduke

Registered User
^^that's all true, except that if they need me up there as an NFO in sept, that whole waiting list thing is out the door...and my OSO isn't really the one saying this-he was caught off guard by all of this as much as me, but he's relaying to me what everyone above him is saying, which is to count on getting commissioned on 28 Aug, and shipped to TBS on 2 Sept as an NFO contract.

as much as i've been looking forward to getting started training and getting paid, i wouldn't mind waiting a few more months at this point-particularly if it afforded me a pilot's contract! in addition, it looks like my roommate is going to Jan TBS class (although shipping to IFS 70 days prior). he would've been gone by now too, but they hit him with a major paperwork SNAFU of his own. at any rate, it would be good to be on approximately the same training schedule...make it easier to get a place together down in Pensacola. that's inconsequential in the grand scheme, though.
 

theduke

Registered User
yeah, so i'm learning.

in a nutshell, what happened to my roommate is that when he went for his flight physical, they measured his eye refraction at 3.691. well, somewhere along the line, it got entered as 369.1. not only did they NPQ him as an aviator, they NPQ'd him as a Marine officer. he had to resubmit his entire commissioning package-basically start all over. i think his dad's Colonel power sped some of that right along, but it's taking some time to get PQ'd as a pilot. now, he's finished the requirements for his bachelor's degree, but he has to keep taking classes through the summer and fall to remain a full-time student until his paperwork gets unscrewed, and not submit his application for graduation to NCSU, or they'll commission him and ship him off to TBS on a ground contract.

there are a few other people in somewhat similar situations i know of, too (both in ROTC and PLC...for example, my roommate is ROTC). it makes me want to run sprints into a wall. like i said, i'm learning that it's almost protocol to do paperwork wrong 3 times for practice before you do it right.
 

theduke

Registered User
still no word on anything. i'm thinking that my shipping out on 2 Sept is getting pretty unlikely...

and that's likely a good thing, as far as this scenario goes.
 

theduke

Registered User
still no word. the plan was to get commissioned on saturday (28 aug), then report to TBS next thursday (2 sept).

am i crazy, or is this pretty unlikely at this point?

hopefully so-if i don't make this TBS class, i think i'll have a better shot of getting my switch to pilot approved.
 

jarhead

UAL CA; retired hinge
pilot
theduke said:
still no word ...
your OSO must be prepping you for TBS ... everybody at TBS waits on "the word". it's magical, "the word" is, it could mean the difference between getting off at 1700 or 2000 ...

nothing really changes when you hit the fleet though, i still find myself waiting on "the word" ...

S/F
 

theduke

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ok, found out today that i'll be commissioned this saturday, 28 aug. still no word on TBS ship date. i'm thinking november.
 
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