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HMS Gotland

cr62

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The Gotland class submarines of the Swedish Navy are one of the world's most modern conventional submarines. They are the first submarines in the world to feature a Stirling air-independent propulsion system (AIP), which extends their endurance from a few days to several weeks. This capability has previously only been available with nuclear powered submarines. The system is also said to be vibration-free, silent and virtualy undetectable.


Sweden's submarines are considered an important defense asset. The submarine force's area of operation has recently been expanded from its original task of countering the threat of Soviet invasion in the Baltic Sea region. Sweden's submarines have begun to participate in multinational rapid reaction exercises acting in waters that range from the North Sea, the Atlantic, and the Bay of Biscay to the Mediterranean with new tasks focusing on reconnaissance, intelligence gathering, and surveillance.[1] The Viking next-generation submarines were designed to enhance these capabilities, as they featured increased endurance and interoperability with other naval branches.[4] However, with the withdrawal of Denmark and Norway from the Viking program, it is not clear that Sweden will be able to find new partners for the program, or fund the design, construction, and operation of these new boats on its own.

In May 2005, the Gotland was leased to the U.S. Navy for one year, complete with a Swedish crew. The Gotland will initially be based in San Diego, where the U.S. Navy will practice joint maneuvers with the stealthy AIP-equipped diesel submarine.[5] According to the Swedish newspaper Blekinge Läns Tidning, U.S. interest in the Gotland class was aroused during joint naval exercises when the U.S. Navy was unable to track the Swedish submarine.[6]

During its first year in the United States, the Gotland is scheduled to conduct up to 160 training days at sea, supporting strike groups, individual ships and rescue submarines, as well as participate in testing and development of new equipment.[7] The Gotland regularly uses its diesel engines only when entering or exiting port, going on two-week-plus "silent" patrols using its Stirling AIP engines exclusively.[8] As of March 2006, the U.S. Navy was reportedly in talks with Sweden on extending the lease for one to two more years.[8,10] Reportedly, during a Joint Task Force Exercise on December 6-16, 2005, with the USS Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group off the coast of Southern California, the Gotland managed to take several pictures of the Ronald Reagan from close quarters, indicating a "strike" on the aircraft carrier.[9] As Gotland's Lieutenant Commander Jan Westas says, the U.S. ASW forces "have had a very difficult time finding us."[8] To date, the exercises have been carried out in deep water. It is expected that exercises with the Gotland in coastal waters will prove even more challenging to U.S. ASW.[8]

http://www.nti.org/db/submarines/sweden/index.html
 

Gatordev

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They are the first submarines in the world to feature a Stirling air-independent propulsion system (AIP), which extends their endurance from a few days to several weeks. This capability has previously only been available with nuclear powered submarines. The system is also said to be vibration-free, silent and virtualy undetectable.

This technology has been around for decades. I've flown against a Japanese version of this (can't remember if it was a Sterling or not). We could find our LA hunter-killer that was waiting for it easier than we could find the Japanese sub.
 

alert5

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USS Ronald Reagan 'sunk' by HMS Gotland

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10116514/detail.html

Following is a verbatim script from the on-air report.

HENRY: According to Swedish newspapers, in training exercises the Gotland has sunk our most sophisticated nuclear submarines. But perhaps even more disconcerting, it reportedly sunk our largest aircraft carrier, the U.S.S. Reagan.
 

thull

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"...HENRY: Although this emerging undersea threat is a top priority for the U.S. Navy, the U.S. is committed to its nuclear submarine force, and has no plans to develop subs like the Gotland."


and if they did, why would they say so?
 

fighterpfeif

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The HMS Gotland is like every other high tech weapon, it will be on the forefront for a few years, then it'll be the norm when countermeasures are discovered.

Case in point: F-117 shot down over Serbia. The F-117 is a great weapon system, but it to is vulnerable. Nothing beats proper Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures for the situation and evolving them when things change.
 

kmac

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It's not the first time the Ronald Reagan has been sunk. These war games are too scripted to be of any investigative substance. That's my opinion anyway. I wasn't a part of this... just seems that we who are not "in the know" tend to think that we're supposed to "win" our own war games when playing with foreign powers. What ever happened to letting the other guy show his cards?
 

scoober78

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These war games are too scripted to be of any investigative substance.

This tends to be true...we used to (USS Pennsylvania) get sunk by P-3's all the time...after we started banging on the hull with blunt metal objects.:D Nothing personal to anyone in P-3's but...P-3 vs. Trident isn't a contest.

From a technical point of view...the news guy...Henry has no idea what he is talking about/looking at. This is not to discount the technology...AIP is very, very neat stuff.


Oh yeah....BTW...... http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132741


Merge these mods?
 

Gatordev

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Yeah, not really sure why all these Gotland threads are appearing all of a sudden. Merge complete.
 

Kronans

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This technology has been around for decades. I've flown against a Japanese version of this (can't remember if it was a Sterling or not). We could find our LA hunter-killer that was waiting for it easier than we could find the Japanese sub.

yes it was called battery. Old submarines used batterys to go under water and take cover. but the teknik that swedens subs make is only 3 diffrent types one that sweden makes, Germans make one typ dont know how good that one is or how it works and the russens are try to make one. Japan have brout swedens tekniks to make the system if I dont remeber wrong. as Australia. But the system to make the subs silent is not only how it engens works it is all. how fast the propeler moves, how the propeller is made mm


Look at thise that made from us media.
http://www.nbc4.tv/video/10117407/detail.html#
 

Gatordev

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yes it was called battery. Old submarines used batterys to go under water and take cover...

While true, the Sterling engine has, indeed, been around for several decades. And I stand by my statement that fighting an AIP sub is a lot harder, sometimes even harder than fighting a battery/desiel sub.
 

Zilch

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You know, for a neutral country, Sweden has some nifty military toys...
 

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Zilch

This...is...Caketown!
Righto. I just wanted the excuse to mention the Gripen. I think it's dead sexy. :icon_smil
 
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