Purdue Jones
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I have heard it varies on your DI but on avearge how much running a day do you do at OCS?
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How much running at OCS?
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I think the most we ever ran was around 4-4.5 miles and that was not a regular thing by any means. The running at OCS isn't the most painfull thing physically. It's probably being in the pushup position or holding your rifle at arms length foreverPurdue Jones said:
Brett
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They have just changed the PT program starting in January this year.
Depending on where you score on your PFA you are put into three different ability groups. Different people lead the different ability groups. There are high, medium, and low pace ability groups.
The runs are only done on Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays and are never more than 3 miles. Usually only 2 miles especially during the first four weeks of training.
Oh yeah, and those wonderful 5-mile runs that used to happen on Saturday mornings has been replaced by "team sports"
Depending on where you score on your PFA you are put into three different ability groups. Different people lead the different ability groups. There are high, medium, and low pace ability groups.
The runs are only done on Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays and are never more than 3 miles. Usually only 2 miles especially during the first four weeks of training.
Oh yeah, and those wonderful 5-mile runs that used to happen on Saturday mornings has been replaced by "team sports"
Is it the same amount of activity for every group?
I think it was foosball.cracker said:
navyjeff94
Final Select for Supply - 23 Apr 05 class
I'm leaving on the 23rd. I've been bummed because on top of horrible weather, I've also been sick for two weeks. It's interupted my training quite a bit. It's nice to hear that with the training changes, I may not be that far behind.
Soft?
I can't see how just because you are not running all over the place it is now "soft". I went to Army OCS (which of course isn't as hard as Marines OCS), but VERY CLOSE.....Anyway, they didn't run us as much because they said they need officers and most people get hurt during those long runs. 5 miles doesn't make you hard core nor does it make you a great leader. The Marines and the Army are so short on officers, they have to do what it takes to get that candidate through. I saw so many people who washed out due to the running. That will change a 75% wash out rate to 40%.
Now, will that mean some who are really "soft" slip through? of course. But I doubt anyone who can pass the PT test to get in is physically "soft" in the first place. Folks, you don't have to be a marathon runner to be a good officer. Soft isn't the appropriate term here. Just my observation.
I can't see how just because you are not running all over the place it is now "soft". I went to Army OCS (which of course isn't as hard as Marines OCS), but VERY CLOSE.....Anyway, they didn't run us as much because they said they need officers and most people get hurt during those long runs. 5 miles doesn't make you hard core nor does it make you a great leader. The Marines and the Army are so short on officers, they have to do what it takes to get that candidate through. I saw so many people who washed out due to the running. That will change a 75% wash out rate to 40%.
Now, will that mean some who are really "soft" slip through? of course. But I doubt anyone who can pass the PT test to get in is physically "soft" in the first place. Folks, you don't have to be a marathon runner to be a good officer. Soft isn't the appropriate term here. Just my observation.
Geese
You guys are dangerous.
Maybe, but I've done a term in the army too, and if you can't run for 5 miles at a moderate to easy pace, there is definitely something wrong with you, something that may prevent you from performing in combat. I can agree with your point that death-runs at sub 6 minute paces for many miles may be a bad idea and cause people to fall out and injure themselves, but when done at the appropriate pace, 5 miles is pretty darn easy on your body. I'm thinking of things like battalion and brigade runs. The real gist of such runs is to have you running for an extended period of time to build up or sustain endurance (and not speed obviously).kiowaguy said:
I dunno, you just get used to running in the Army. They'll probably hate me in OCS if I am giving PT, cause I'll probably take em on too many "death-runs"
etnuclearsailor
STA 21 Nuclear OC
Are these runs in formation? Up here at NSI, we run three times a week (weather permitting), and the run is about 3.5 miles. It's not in formation, which honestly a formation run would be easier on me. i always try to push myself as hard as I can when not in formation.
Please re-read my post for the entire content and take it in context. The military cannot afford to lose able bodies on a fast pace 5 mile run. And I don't ever remember saying anything about people being fat or out of shape was okay.
We have a standard........you either meet it or get out. I am not saying alter it. What I am saying is the way we train HAS to change and the old mindset of "pt till you puke" isn't going to make a better officer. Yes, it does have it's place...........
Take for instance aviation. Now, pilots used to go through sere schoold which taught you how to make shelter, get food, take interrogation all that. Now days, when you go down, you are in the middle of a desert or if you are a helicopter pilot, you have the enemy surrounding you before you can break the cockpit glass. Would it be best if I recevieved more hand to hand combat training and small arms combat training, or the same survival training?
What does that have to do with this topic? simple. I used to run LONG miles. NOW, I run sprints because chances are, that will be what saves MY life. Running is still important, but how is run has changed with the way I will have to fight.
In closing, I am happy to have guys like you wanting to serve our country. It makes me feel proud and safe. Your view is respected. I just happen to disagree with the soft comment. It isn't fair. If a person meets the standards, they meet the standards. If you think that isn't good enough, feel free to disagree. Just do it in a way that is respectful (which both of you did), but not so public.
We have a standard........you either meet it or get out. I am not saying alter it. What I am saying is the way we train HAS to change and the old mindset of "pt till you puke" isn't going to make a better officer. Yes, it does have it's place...........
Take for instance aviation. Now, pilots used to go through sere schoold which taught you how to make shelter, get food, take interrogation all that. Now days, when you go down, you are in the middle of a desert or if you are a helicopter pilot, you have the enemy surrounding you before you can break the cockpit glass. Would it be best if I recevieved more hand to hand combat training and small arms combat training, or the same survival training?
What does that have to do with this topic? simple. I used to run LONG miles. NOW, I run sprints because chances are, that will be what saves MY life. Running is still important, but how is run has changed with the way I will have to fight.
In closing, I am happy to have guys like you wanting to serve our country. It makes me feel proud and safe. Your view is respected. I just happen to disagree with the soft comment. It isn't fair. If a person meets the standards, they meet the standards. If you think that isn't good enough, feel free to disagree. Just do it in a way that is respectful (which both of you did), but not so public.
When you are a memeber of a team, you have to be able to rely on the man standing next to you. Does this mean everyone needs to be as physically fit as the next? No. But that may not be the only goal of PT at OCS.
PT is nothing like combat, but a similar outcome between sailors may be imbued when everyone goes through the same experience, where we are all in the same boat, despising the same person, sharing the same enemies. When you are pushed as a class during PT, made to go through "hell" (I use that term loosely), you learn to take the focus of yourself (hopefully). I've been reading more posts lately on many boards inquiring about what impact OCS is going to have on you personally, while I'm sure that most of our motivational statements address the impact we want to make for the country, our families and the Navy. This seems to be paradoxical in thought: we want to impact others as officer, but our only conern with OCS is what it means for us in the short term.
PT at OCS is the short term for most people. Hopefully, a disciplined regemine at OCS will help turn out disciplined leaders who have learned how to help and serve each other and will carry that to ships.
The concern with the "dumbing down" of PT at OCS is that as a team, we are not being given the opportunity to struggle together. As a husband and father of two, the struggles make you stronger, despite how cliche that sounds.
It sounds like the struggle is being removed from OCS and with that in mind, are we producing weaker officers? Anything worth having involves a struggle and hard work: you learn to be disciplined about what you want and what you are willing to go after.
The things a person forces him or herself to do despite how much they despise it in order to attain their goal(s), directly reflects on the character of that person.
I'm no sado-masochist, but I expect to be pushed because I find that I often don't push myself hard enough. Having someone else to challenge me or push me is more beneficial. The human body can sustain much more than we think; it's our minds that fight against our drive. We tell ourselves that we can't go on any further, when we can.
This is the point of OCS. This is the purpose of a school that makes and molds officers: If you crap out and give up on a PT run, why wouldn't you when it really matters? Who would trust you and fight alongside you? Who would follow you? Whou could you lead?
PT isn't everything. But there is a lot more at stake than just completing the run or not.
PT is nothing like combat, but a similar outcome between sailors may be imbued when everyone goes through the same experience, where we are all in the same boat, despising the same person, sharing the same enemies. When you are pushed as a class during PT, made to go through "hell" (I use that term loosely), you learn to take the focus of yourself (hopefully). I've been reading more posts lately on many boards inquiring about what impact OCS is going to have on you personally, while I'm sure that most of our motivational statements address the impact we want to make for the country, our families and the Navy. This seems to be paradoxical in thought: we want to impact others as officer, but our only conern with OCS is what it means for us in the short term.
PT at OCS is the short term for most people. Hopefully, a disciplined regemine at OCS will help turn out disciplined leaders who have learned how to help and serve each other and will carry that to ships.
The concern with the "dumbing down" of PT at OCS is that as a team, we are not being given the opportunity to struggle together. As a husband and father of two, the struggles make you stronger, despite how cliche that sounds.
It sounds like the struggle is being removed from OCS and with that in mind, are we producing weaker officers? Anything worth having involves a struggle and hard work: you learn to be disciplined about what you want and what you are willing to go after.
The things a person forces him or herself to do despite how much they despise it in order to attain their goal(s), directly reflects on the character of that person.
I'm no sado-masochist, but I expect to be pushed because I find that I often don't push myself hard enough. Having someone else to challenge me or push me is more beneficial. The human body can sustain much more than we think; it's our minds that fight against our drive. We tell ourselves that we can't go on any further, when we can.
This is the point of OCS. This is the purpose of a school that makes and molds officers: If you crap out and give up on a PT run, why wouldn't you when it really matters? Who would trust you and fight alongside you? Who would follow you? Whou could you lead?
PT isn't everything. But there is a lot more at stake than just completing the run or not.
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