How often do people fail this pipeline during the human centrifuge training? Also, how often do people fail flight training in general?

[Lighting_II]

Hey guys,

So I hope to maybe go down the strike pipeline in the future. But I was wondering how often are people kicked from the program due to not being able to handle high Gs? I think the most Gs I have experienced are on a roller coaster and no issues but of course that is not near 5 to 6 Gs. Also, for a while I was only concerned about failing OCS because I feel that is where there is going to be an adjustment to a new life style. Once reaching flight school I hope to be more adjusted to the military life style so at that point it would just feel like I am back in a challenging learning environment which I have been able to handle in the past. So as long as I give it my best should I be fine since I am used to an academically challenging environment and scored well on the ASTB?

I swear I am not a negative dude it's just that I am the type of person who prepares for the worst hopes for the best so that it why I had these questions.

 

[villo0692]

Every roller coaster ride takes you exactly .42% closer to becoming a fighter pilot

 

[Swanee]

There was a guy who DOR'd at the centrifuge when I went. Apparently it is pretty rare for that to happen, but he just couldn't take the weird confined space without having an anxiety attack.

He ended up getting out and is an airline pilot now. Good dude.

 

[Brett327]

I am the type of person who prepares for the worst

Since the attrition rate is not zero, and you're preparing for the worst, then it doesn't matter how often people fail, does it?

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

Hey guys,

So I hope to maybe go down the strike pipeline in the future. But I was wondering how often are people kicked from the program due to not being able to handle high Gs? I think the most Gs I have experienced are on a roller coaster and no issues but of course that is not near 5 to 6 Gs. Also, for a while I was only concerned about failing OCS because I feel that is where there is going to be an adjustment to a new life style. Once reaching flight school I hope to be more adjusted to the military life style so at that point it would just feel like I am back in a challenging learning environment which I have been able to handle in the past. So as long as I give it my best should I be fine since I am used to an academically challenging environment and scored well on the ASTB?

I swear I am not a negative dude it's just that I am the type of person who prepares for the worst hopes for the best so that it why I had these questions.

Why does it matter? Prepare for things you can control.

Not only this mindset with this. But also with life.

 

[ea6bflyr]

Don’t think about failing, just focus on doing your best.

As far as G tolerance, you will build up your abilities with multiple flights. The centrifuge is designed to help you practice and increase your G tolerance. Don’t worry about it.

 

[FinkUFreaky]

There was a guy who DOR'd at the centrifuge when I went. Apparently it is pretty rare for that to happen, but he just couldn't take the weird confined space without having an anxiety attack.

He ended up getting out and is an airline pilot now. Good dude.

Holy crap, think I might have went through it with you. It was his second time trying it, and like you said good dude went to airlines. Roughly early-mid 2011?

It’s not something to stress about, most have minimal troubles. Tall lanky cross country runners with low blood pressure have the most difficulties.

 

[MIDNJAC]

I did it a second time as a requirement to fly the F-16 during my shore tour. It was a 9G profile this time. Done first, while all the prospective T-45 students looked on. I'd gotten our PR's in Fallon to really tighten up my G suit, and me and my bud went out raging in San Antonio the night before and ate a breakfast of chik fil a. There's part of the profile where you are at 9G for 15 seconds, looking over your shoulder. That one hurt. As I spun down to a stop afterward, the operator commented "sir, I think you were just in survival mode there.......were you holding your breath?" It wasn't pretty, but I didn't fail that one just like I didn't fail the flight school ride. The T-45 students had some real wide eyes as I walked back into the lounge room though. If you end up selecting jets, don't stress. You'll be fine in the 'fuge. A few people have to go through a second time, but it's not that big of a deal.

 

[Swanee]

Holy crap, think I might have went through it with you. It was his second time trying it, and like you said good dude went to airlines. Roughly early-mid 2011?

It’s not something to stress about, most have minimal troubles. Tall lanky cross country runners with low blood pressure have the most difficulties.

Yep! I went through it with him on his first go around, but it was definitely in the 2011 timeframe.

 

[RSPaviator]

Hey guys,

So I hope to maybe go down the strike pipeline in the future. But I was wondering how often are people kicked from the program due to not being able to handle high Gs? I think the most Gs I have experienced are on a roller coaster and no issues but of course that is not near 5 to 6 Gs. Also, for a while I was only concerned about failing OCS because I feel that is where there is going to be an adjustment to a new life style. Once reaching flight school I hope to be more adjusted to the military life style so at that point it would just feel like I am back in a challenging learning environment which I have been able to handle in the past. So as long as I give it my best should I be fine since I am used to an academically challenging environment and scored well on the ASTB?

I swear I am not a negative dude it's just that I am the type of person who prepares for the worst hopes for the best so that it why I had these questions.

It’s pretty uncommon man, at the centrifuge you just have to not pass out, you have a couple of tries on the same profile before they send you home to talk to your command then they’ll make the decision to send you back, and how many more tries.

Even if your g tolerance sucks there, it gets better in the plane when you’re doing it regularly. Also, the T-45 doesn’t have the onset rate AND bleeds off faster. You’ll get some practice in the T-6 too. If you’re going to have some pretty serious airsickness issues it’s usually found in the T-6 and a lot of people get over it and go on to select strike.

To echo what everyone is saying above, don’t worry about it, worry about what you can control and the closest alligator to the boat. If you’re waiting on a pro-rec, improve your package, waiting on OCS, study appendix B, waiting on NIFE, study the academics, etc. etc.

The attrition rate isn’t zero but it’s not very high after especially after NIFE, and it typically gets lower the farther in your pipeline you get (they’ve invested more in you).

Good luck man!

 

[elariosa95]

Hey guys,

So I hope to maybe go down the strike pipeline in the future. But I was wondering how often are people kicked from the program due to not being able to handle high Gs? I think the most Gs I have experienced are on a roller coaster and no issues but of course that is not near 5 to 6 Gs. Also, for a while I was only concerned about failing OCS because I feel that is where there is going to be an adjustment to a new life style. Once reaching flight school I hope to be more adjusted to the military life style so at that point it would just feel like I am back in a challenging learning environment which I have been able to handle in the past. So as long as I give it my best should I be fine since I am used to an academically challenging environment and scored well on the ASTB?

I swear I am not a negative dude it's just that I am the type of person who prepares for the worst hopes for the best so that it why I had these questions.

BLUF: "focus on the closest alligator to the boat, but don't forget about the others"

Like mentioned above, just focus on everything you can control, and take it from there.

In the interest of answering your question, your priority list right now should look something like this:

1. Preparing for/scoring well on ASTB
2. Getting in shape/studying for OCS
3. Surviving the sand pits in Newport
4. Flight school

Attrition for academics during OCS/flight school doesn't happen often and is really unfortunate, but if you keep your head in the books and study with others, you'll be ok. The firehose method is the DOD's preferred method of training, but there are ways to make it a little more bearable ("learning objectives").

The biggest thing about OCS is staying locked in and not letting your guard down or getting complacent. Indoc phase was easily the toughest part of OCS bc of how many people around me were slowly starting to realize they weren't cut out for the military or were just in the pit of despair for various reasons. Like other military trainings, it's tough but doable. Focus on making it to the next chow, and you'll be alright

Lastly, to address your concerns about G's: during the Contacts stage of Primary, the first thing you'll do before starting any high work is a G-warm exercise (Gx): a 4-5 G pull at 70-80 deg AOB and 3-5 breath cycles. If you can do that on the first flight without puking into an airsickness bag, you'll be just fine; if not, you'll do some airsickness stuff with the AS coordinator for your squadron to get you acclimated (you might even get the Airsickness Weapons School patch lol). During formation flying, your instructor may demonstrate the tail chase which can go up to 6 G's; I never got to do this, but my roommate said it was awesome

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

Hey guys,

So I hope to maybe go down the strike pipeline in the future. But I was wondering how often are people kicked from the program due to not being able to handle high Gs? I think the most Gs I have experienced are on a roller coaster and no issues but of course that is not near 5 to 6 Gs. Also, for a while I was only concerned about failing OCS because I feel that is where there is going to be an adjustment to a new life style. Once reaching flight school I hope to be more adjusted to the military life style so at that point it would just feel like I am back in a challenging learning environment which I have been able to handle in the past. So as long as I give it my best should I be fine since I am used to an academically challenging environment and scored well on the ASTB?

I swear I am not a negative dude it's just that I am the type of person who prepares for the worst hopes for the best so that it why I had these questions.

Maybe just start on getting past the ASTB and qualifying / applying for Pilot? This is like step 20 and you haven’t even started step 1 yet.