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IFS question

e6bflyer

Used to Care
pilot
Maybe its viewed in that light in Pcola because of the vast number of students they have to complete. And the time requirement isn't set by the flight school, its a Navy directive. The instructor you get helps a lot with that mindset as well. My instructor at PAC was awesome and really made it fun.

It is an attrition program, hence the title "Introductory Flight Screening" and not something super nice and bubbly like "Introductory Flights So guys will do better in primary". It is a cheap and easy way for the Navy to weed out guys and gals who think that flying "just isn't for them". As quoted above, it is up to the school and more specifically the instructor as to whether they treat it as a Naziesque attrition tool or as more of a "lets teach this person for 25 hours and let them decide whether this is for them". I think the kinder, gentler method is probably more appropriate for that level, but I am not 60 years old and teaching in a 172.
 

pdx

HSM Pilot
The head pilot (Skip) at PAC definitely runs his school with attrition as a goal. He feels like he is saving the Navy money and time everytime he can justify kicking somebody out.

I think IFS is a great idea. It saves the Navy money and it might even make for a smoother transition into primary. But there is no need for this attrition mindset. Plenty of people DOR in IFS. These are people who just don't like aviation as much as they thought they would, and the would most likely DOR sometime during FAM flights anyway. Some of the DOR realize the cockpit is way to stressful or that airsickness is not fun, and they don't want to press on.

Taking a student that the Navy has selected, and letting a civilian decide that this person "doesn't have what it takes" seems a little ridiculous. Especially so because the civilians usually have zero military experience. Skip was a prior Marine First Sergeant (I believe), but he wasn't a pilot. One day he told me how PAC was doing such a great job of preparing students for primary. He said he tried to run things "similar to primary" so there wouldn't be as much of a shock, and that PAC studs had "better success rates in primary."

I was sceptical at the time, but now I have been through primary, and now I can laugh at this statement. I doubt any of the instructors there know what goes into military flight training. One notable exception to this is Mr. Miles down at the Eglin Aero Club. My classmates who flew there came back with stories about the Berlin air lift and the Air Force during the 50's.

I am not telling anybody not to go to PAC, but it does seem that they are more attrition minded than some of the other schools.
 

FelixTheGreat

World's greatest pilot and occasional hero
pilot
I really think that the CFI's giving the IFS shouldn't get to carried away with failing students out of the program. You an usually tell within the first couple of hours of flying with a new student wether he/she has their head on straight. The sad fact is that, in the civilian world, a pass or fail from an examiner has a lot to do with how a cadidate for a license gets along with the examiner on the day of the checkride.
 

Fly Navy

...Great Job!
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
I really think that the CFI's giving the IFS shouldn't get to carried away with failing students out of the program. You an usually tell within the first couple of hours of flying with a new student wether he/she has their head on straight. The sad fact is that, in the civilian world, a pass or fail from an examiner has a lot to do with how a cadidate for a license gets along with the examiner on the day of the checkride.

That being said, if a civilian CFI is uncomfortable with the student after IFS... they probably shouldn't be flying military.
 

FelixTheGreat

World's greatest pilot and occasional hero
pilot
One of my buddies tried to pass along to me a commercial student who made the right friends to get an F-16 spot with the ANG, had a 50/50 chance of remembering the gear, was a horribile slacker and a jack-ass on top of it. Yet, he managed to pass his checkride in the nick of time and got the spot. Just passing a ride doesn't mean you are a compentent pilot. I urge any CFI's out there helping fledgling military pilots with flight training to be fair and make sure that only quality students get through. It only takes a few hours to find out wether someone has the chops or not.

To add to that-
If you every think that you got treated unfairly during a ride, appeal it to whoever you can. There is an unwritten "fail" quota that some check airman have to meet to prove to the higher powers that they are doing their jobs.
 
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