Somebody who knows what they're talking about, could you please fill me in on what the hell IFS is....and how it interplays with API/Primary? As much detail as possible please. No general type stuff....looking for specifics.
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Well what are you looking for, if you want spescific answers you need spescific questions.
IFS is 25 hrs of flight training in a cesna type. You have to pass it within 60 days. It does not affect the api/primary scores. It is intended to give an idea of what your getting into so if you dont want to fly you wont be wasting Uncle Sam's money.
IFS is 25 hrs of flight training in a cesna type. You have to pass it within 60 days. It does not affect the api/primary scores. It is intended to give an idea of what your getting into so if you dont want to fly you wont be wasting Uncle Sam's money.
Whalebite said:
How about this. When does it take place? (Comments I've seen indicate before API, but I obviously don't know for sure) Is it for both Navy/Marines? Do both SNA's/SNFO's do it? What kind of ground school goes along with it? What curriculum is covered? Do you wind up with any qualifications/certifications as a result of it (e.g. FAA stuff)?
T-man
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From the information I've gathered over my limited time here, this is what I've learned about IFS...
-Introductory Flight Screening
-IFS is optional
-occurs before API
-used by both the Navy and the USMC (I believe the USAF has their own version, coined a different name of course).
-As already said, training in a cessna type aircraft.
-can be contracted to a civilian flight instructor
-essentially an introduction to flight and what to expect, get your feet wet type thing.
There's been a similar discussion in the Marine section, here's a link to the thread
http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12041
-Introductory Flight Screening
-IFS is optional
-occurs before API
-used by both the Navy and the USMC (I believe the USAF has their own version, coined a different name of course).
-As already said, training in a cessna type aircraft.
-can be contracted to a civilian flight instructor
-essentially an introduction to flight and what to expect, get your feet wet type thing.
There's been a similar discussion in the Marine section, here's a link to the thread
http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12041
SNA and NFO can both get into the program, if you go or not changes week to week. Right now NFO is in high demand and they are pushing them through API asap, so right now at least the Marine nfo's are not going through.
All SNA are currently going through the program.
You do not get any qual from it.
You nees a class 3 phys and no prior cross country flight
Solo before 15 flight hours and 36 days
min of 3 solo flights at least 2 hours and 1 solo x country
All SNA are currently going through the program.
You do not get any qual from it.
You nees a class 3 phys and no prior cross country flight
Solo before 15 flight hours and 36 days
min of 3 solo flights at least 2 hours and 1 solo x country
It is the modern day heir to the old "FIP" program, i.e. Flight Indoctrination Program. That was was contracted through a local Part 141 PPL course and FBO/Flight School. We came out at the end of the flying with a Private Pilot's License and about 30-40 hours of flight time in Cessna 150's. I think they capped it @ 40 hours. We applied for the program, were selected after passing a "flight physical" equivalent (prospective Aviators only -- no NFO's), and took it on our own schedule during Junior or Senior years in college. It was designed to give you a leg up on the competition when you got to Pensacola.
Problematical, at best, whether it helped or not, but it was a good deal, nevertheless ...
Does this = this ???
Problematical, at best, whether it helped or not, but it was a good deal, nevertheless ...
For SNFOs you only get 13.5 hours, no solo, no physical required since you don't solo.
Also, on the note about Marine SNFOs being pushed through...that's what I thought, too. Student Control informed me this week that we are only starting about 5 NFOs between now and the end of the (calendar) year...me being #5 or 6...
Also, on the note about Marine SNFOs being pushed through...that's what I thought, too. Student Control informed me this week that we are only starting about 5 NFOs between now and the end of the (calendar) year...me being #5 or 6...
A4sForever said:
Similar to what the Air Force has, 40 hours to complete private pilot in their IFT program.
Anyone's best bet right now for sna FY05'ers is to get IFS done before your report date at your unit or else plan on waiting around.
Although in this discussion we're forgetting one thing. The real mission of IFS is attrition. By getting people "introduced" to flying, they can immediately get those not interested to DOR (or whatever) before they begin naval flight training. The bottom line is $$$. Much like contracting civilian maintenance, the Navy figured it could save a buck or two on "students" that quit (or couldn't even fly a Cessna) before they were in the pipeline. A LOT of discussion went into the legality of attriting people when it was a civilian, and not military, instructor making the call. The majority reasoning though was that since FAA Part 141 schools were required for the program, the level of instruction was already qualified per federal aviation standards. The guinea pigs began in November of 2001 and were all in the Pensacola area. Then came the academy and rotc into the full program that it is today. I hope that gives a little "history" to the modern program.
Hey guys thanks for the info so far. Can anyone point me to a point of contact who runs this program?
Kmac, I hear what you're saying the Part 141 school, but I think what you're saying is somewhat misleading. All flight instructors are obviously certified by the FAA regardless of whether they teach at a Part 141 or 61 flight school. There are sh!tty, as well as outstanding, instructors found in each type of program. Part 141 schools must demonstrate a number of items to the FAA before being given approval to operate under 141 standards (though they can still operate under Part 61 as well...dual hatted I guess you could say). The "level of instruction" that you refer to is probably found in the fact that 141 schools must maintain a high student pass ratio. Also, 141 schools tend to be more organized since they have use a course outline so to speak. The level of instruction from each individual instructor in a 141 school can be the same as that in a 61 school though, or worse.
Kmac said:
Kmac, I hear what you're saying the Part 141 school, but I think what you're saying is somewhat misleading. All flight instructors are obviously certified by the FAA regardless of whether they teach at a Part 141 or 61 flight school. There are sh!tty, as well as outstanding, instructors found in each type of program. Part 141 schools must demonstrate a number of items to the FAA before being given approval to operate under 141 standards (though they can still operate under Part 61 as well...dual hatted I guess you could say). The "level of instruction" that you refer to is probably found in the fact that 141 schools must maintain a high student pass ratio. Also, 141 schools tend to be more organized since they have use a course outline so to speak. The level of instruction from each individual instructor in a 141 school can be the same as that in a 61 school though, or worse.
Steve Wilkins said:
https://www.ifs.cnet.navy.mil/ifscode/default.cfm
This site has some contact info. Hope that helps.