Intel Competitiveness

[sylviadorsey31]

I thought it was 35 to pass for Navy OCS? At least that's what I've been reading.

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

I thought it was 35 to pass for Navy OCS? At least that's what I've been reading.

It has changed roughly

I thought it was 35 to pass for Navy OCS? At least that's what I've been reading.

No, it changed from a 35 to 40 roughly a year or so ago.

Also, anything below a 50 isn't a great enough score to submit. Do you think you would get accepted to college/grad school if you submitted with the min SAT/GMAT/GRE scores? The same concept applies with the navy...

 

[sylviadorsey31]

It has changed roughly


No, it changed from a 35 to 40 roughly a year or so ago.

Also, anything below a 50 isn't a great enough score to submit. Do you think you would get accepted to college/grad school if you submitted with the min SAT/GMAT/GRE scores? The same concept applies with the navy...

Oh okay. Thanks for the heads up on that one. And it would be extremely difficult.

 

[Romantics89]

I am currently in the beginning stages of going through the OCS application process. I'm looking to do intel if possible, but I understand that it is one of the more competitive designators to get. From what I've read, only about 10-15% of applicants get this designator. My recruiter has told me that based on my oar/gpa, etc., I am competitive for intel.
Age: 25
OAR: 52
GPA undergrad/grad: 3.79/3.63
I have two questions which I haven't been able to find answers on this forum or anywhere else online.
1. I have a friend who just got pro-rec y for SNA, and he said for that any SNA package that did not have SNA listed as the only designator would be passed over. Is the same thing true for the IDC community?
2. Does anyone have a sense of how competitive intel is going to be in the next year of so?

I'm a non-prior and was selected for Intel (IWC December 2016) with a similar GPA, non-STEM degree, diverse leadership and volunteer experience, as well as language proficiency, in the US and abroad. I also had some great appraisals and LORs. I'd work on that. There's a stats string here. Check out others' stats of those who got in. That'll help you see what gets accepted. There were 15/266 selected at my board, as I was told. If you really want Intel, put it first.

 

[Bendersheart]

Hey there all, first time poster and long time lurker. Just a little about myself, my major is International Studies with a minor in Middle eastern studies. My two languages of focus are Arabic and French. I've had a past internship was within the National Defense University doing basic intel work. I'm starting my application process at the moment with the Navy Officer recruiting station. I'll be taking the OAR this come January and from there build the package up until May 2018, since I graduate in Fall 2018. My GPA is a 3.2, just to add in that as well. I was wondering how well my package looks without the PRs, which I have from AD O's as well as people from the NDU.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Hey there all, first time poster and long time lurker. Just a little about myself, my major is International Studies with a minor in Middle eastern studies. My two languages of focus are Arabic and French. I've had a past internship was within the National Defense University doing basic intel work. I'm starting my application process at the moment with the Navy Officer recruiting station. I'll be taking the OAR this come January and from there build the package up until May 2018, since I graduate in Fall 2018. My GPA is a 3.2, just to add in that as well. I was wondering how well my package looks without the PRs, which I have from AD O's as well as people from the NDU.

non-tech degree, below average GPA for IWC programs, probably not a good shot.

You should look at things like SWO or if interested in flying try that.

 

[Bendersheart]

non-tech degree, below average GPA for IWC programs, probably not a good shot.

You should look at things like SWO or if interested in flying try that.

Awesome, a probably is all I need. My LORs would be current intelligence officers, a congressman, past and current members of three letter agencies.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Awesome, a probably is all I need. My LORs would be current intelligence officers, a congressman, past and current members of three letter agencies.

LOR's are looked at more for designators outside aviation, but unless you have known these people for a substantial amount of time then not really worth it, like a board member said to me before, just about anyone can blow smoke up someones ass for an hour to get a good LOR.

I would put SWO as #2 choice if you really want to be an officer, overall selection rate for IWC is around 10%, but for those with non-tech degrees it is much lower, like 3-5%, there are just so many non-tech that apply and not as many tech that apply so those tech ones have a better shot.

 

[Bendersheart]

LOR's are looked at more for designators outside aviation, but unless you have known these people for a substantial amount of time then not really worth it, like a board member said to me before, just about anyone can blow smoke up someones ass for an hour to get a good LOR.

I would put SWO as #2 choice if you really want to be an officer, overall selection rate for IWC is around 10%, but for those with non-tech degrees it is much lower, like 3-5%, there are just so many non-tech that apply and not as many tech that apply so those tech ones have a better shot.

I see, yes the NCC that I’ll be going through mentioned to put Crypto Linguist for my first choice since my back ground is arabic and french, then intelligence, and then supply. He mentioned I have that third option that if I don’t get selected for the board, I can go the enlisted route. The good question he asked me was do you want to do intelligence or be a navy officer, my answer was, it doesn’t matter how much I get paid, I just want to do intelligence.

 

[LET73]

"Crypto Linguist" isn't a thing as an officer. There are cryptologic warfare officers (designator 1810) , but they aren't using foreign language skills, and your background doesn't suggest you'd get picked up for that. There is the enlisted rate of CTI (Cryptologic Technician, Interpretive), but don't confuse that with the officer side.

Your lack of a STEM degree might not hurt you for intel. The IWC as a whole (intel, cryptology, IT, and meteorology/oceanography) is STEM-heavy, but intel (1830) picks up plenty of non-STEM types. Your GPA is on the low side, though. I would recommend you consider listing Intel, SWO, and Supply, in that order, and do some research into CTI, IS (Intelligence Specialist), and government civilian and contractor intel jobs. Do you just want to do intel? Do you want to do intel in the Navy? Or do you want to be a naval officer?

 

[exNavyOffRec]

I see, yes the NCC that I’ll be going through mentioned to put Crypto Linguist for my first choice since my back ground is arabic and french, then intelligence, and then supply. He mentioned I have that third option that if I don’t get selected for the board, I can go the enlisted route. The good question he asked me was do you want to do intelligence or be a navy officer, my answer was, it doesn’t matter how much I get paid, I just want to do intelligence.

I get the feeling your NCC either hasn't submitted many officer application or just isn't aware of his job.

foreign language doesn't mean anything for IWC field, it is about STEM degree and high GPA, IWC officers don't have a need to speak any foreign language that is all done by enlisted. The only officers that really have a need to speak a foreign language are FAO's, that is a field that is a lateral transfer designator.

 

[Bendersheart]

"Crypto Linguist" isn't a thing as an officer. There are cryptologic warfare officers (designator 1810) , but they aren't using foreign language skills, and your background doesn't suggest you'd get picked up for that. There is the enlisted rate of CTI (Cryptologic Technician, Interpretive), but don't confuse that with the officer side.

Your lack of a STEM degree might not hurt you for intel. The IWC as a whole (intel, cryptology, IT, and meteorology/oceanography) is STEM-heavy, but intel (1830) picks up plenty of non-STEM types. Your GPA is on the low side, though. I would recommend you consider listing Intel, SWO, and Supply, in that order, and do some research into CTI, IS (Intelligence Specialist), and government civilian and contractor intel jobs. Do you just want to do intel? Do you want to do intel in the Navy? Or do you want to be a naval officer?

Yea thank you for clearing that up for me, I was wondering what he meant by Crypto Linguistics, I’ve never heard of an officer doing that. I was clear that I want Intelligence, I’ll be taking my OAR in January so I’ve already started studying what I’m weak in. I’ve looked at the civilian side and have a good picture of what I want to do. I know that INT is small in the Navy, so I’m leaning more towards opertations and targeting intel. The civilian side I’ll be applying to this December, since they want you to apply a year out. Overall, I want Intel. Also where’s the link for the FY18 Board?

 

[Bendersheart]

I get the feeling your NCC either hasn't submitted many officer application or just isn't aware of his job.

foreign language doesn't mean anything for IWC field, it is about STEM degree and high GPA, IWC officers don't have a need to speak any foreign language that is all done by enlisted. The only officers that really have a need to speak a foreign language are FAO's, that is a field that is a lateral transfer designator.

Thank you, I’m considering switching to the LTC there, I called the next day and got him and asked him about Intelligence and Cryptology and basically said I was right. That the two are completely separate. Felt like we were having a measuring contest.

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

Hey there all, first time poster and long time lurker. Just a little about myself, my major is International Studies with a minor in Middle eastern studies. My two languages of focus are Arabic and French. I've had a past internship was within the National Defense University doing basic intel work. I'm starting my application process at the moment with the Navy Officer recruiting station. I'll be taking the OAR this come January and from there build the package up until May 2018, since I graduate in Fall 2018. My GPA is a 3.2, just to add in that as well. I was wondering how well my package looks without the PRs, which I have from AD O's as well as people from the NDU.

The odds are not in your favor for Intel as @NavyOffRec mentioned. Non-STEM and low GPA will hurt. Even if you have LORs from Officers and Politicians, you are entering a board with individuals with high GPAs, STEM degrees, and even those with post-grad education.

Check out Aviation and/or SWO, much less competition.

 

[BAR]

Hey there all, first time poster and long time lurker. Just a little about myself, my major is International Studies with a minor in Middle eastern studies. My two languages of focus are Arabic and French. I've had a past internship was within the National Defense University doing basic intel work. I'm starting my application process at the moment with the Navy Officer recruiting station. I'll be taking the OAR this come January and from there build the package up until May 2018, since I graduate in Fall 2018. My GPA is a 3.2, just to add in that as well. I was wondering how well my package looks without the PRs, which I have from AD O's as well as people from the NDU.

Hey - just to give you an idea for stats, I got selected for Intel (December boards) with a 3.78 GPA (Major: Accounting & Information Systems Minor: Spanish), OAR score 66 and I have 4 years of work experience in public accounting at one of the Big 4 (including 2 years abroad). I'm 28 and my LOR were from 3 employers/supervisors (one was USMC retired), 1 coach. I put Intel as my #1 choice, supply was #2.