It's shit like this that makes me glad I'm in the reserves.
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It's finally happening . . . Big Navy is canning the stack rank FITREP/Eval
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It's shit like this that makes me glad I'm in the reserves.
at least #5 is still there right?
I'd say 4-5 are fleet wide, though 1-3 sound pretty community (*cough*helosMPRA*cough) specific. #3 might be true somewhat widely, however in a single seat squadron, you honestly are just doing that because there aren't enough hours in a normal workday, not because you are trying to impress anyone.
I disagree with #2, but in order to be successful at #1 and #3 requires you to learn how to game the system. Gaming the system isn't necessarily a bad thing, but again, if someone hasn't figure out how, it's not the system's fault. I wouldn't be on my fifth consecutive flying tour if I hadn't figured that out.
All this new system means is eveybody gets nines and tens.. And shit bags get sevens and eights.. Nothing will change really.. Lip stick on a pig!
Can confirm, this isn't our father's Navy. Worst part about #4 is that they don't make Chiefs like they used to. I'm pretty sure a lot of them are still second classes.
Could you elaborate, WRT Chiefs?
Your Chief's job isn't to teach you how to be an officer. Your Chief's job is to teach you how to supervise the Sailors under his/her supervision, whether they're Admin, Aircraft, Av/Arm, QA, or Line. Teach you the ins and outs of the technical stuff they know best as it relates to your level in the organization. Teach you how your decisions look from the deckplates, and so forth, sure. They can be incredibly valuable advisers and "right hand people" who can save your ass if you listen. But YOU, as an officer, are in charge. The people who are supposed to be teaching you how to be an officer are the senior JOs, the DHs, and the head shed.
Maybe in SWO land, where they get raw Ensigns right out of a commissioning source. But in aviation, you've got somewhat of the lay of the land before you ever lay your hands on a division. And you should have some general idea of your place in the hierarchy.
Maybe in SWO land, where they get raw Ensigns right out of a commissioning source. But in aviation, you've got somewhat of the lay of the land before you ever lay your hands on a division. And you should have some general idea of your place in the hierarchy.
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I don't really see the difference between a raw Ensign and some Jg straight out of the RAG going to be a line divo. Neither one of them has a clue wrt the 3m system or the NAMP. Not to mention what they're actually supposed to be doing for a ground job.
Just to keep this thread jack rolling.... Where is a JG straight out of the rag serving a the line divo?
I've seen that a few times.
roger. learning has occurred.
But I think we can agree, particularly in TACAIR, that it's the exception, not the rule. Most Mx DivOs have a year of fleet squadron time under their belts before they get those jobs.
Perhaps. I don't know what every squadron does. From my JO squadron and airwing it didn't seem to be that strange. For me personally, I know that my first job was Aircraft Divo and I was there well under a year when I got it. Not an exception in my airwing, but of course just my own small perspective relative to Naval Aviation as a whole.
I haven't personally seen anyone other than mid level JO's (or senior for that matter in a pinch) fill a DivO billet. Doesn't mean it can't happen, and it sounds like it does. I actually like the idea of that timing better than the standard DivO throughout level III as some sort of a task management test. As a newer guy, it gives you an earlier opportunity to get to know the Sailors, get to know how the MX program works, and you could generally dedicate yourself more or less to the job, evals, etc. This would in turn allow a guy/gal to fully focus on level III, the pinnacle of your JO tour tactical development, without distractions. I don't know what impact this would have on JO FITREPs, if any, but I think re-evaluating that is the point of this topic anyway.
The problem here is that the DHs, and Front office (and probably commodore, CAG, And the admiral) are more concerned about Seaman Timmy's DUI or pregnant wife than they are about teaching their JOs how to manage a division, write an eval, or deal with said problems so they don't have to.