Joining a foreign military?

[BusyBee604]

Not really germane to your situation, I understand, but I've never yet had the opportunity before to give this great American a "shout out" for ALL of his service. Thanks for letting me do so here.

Interesting aside, Renegade!

I made a W'pac on TICO, and a 'R'd the Horn' on CONNIE w/ VF-51 as one of our Fighter Sqds. They were flying F-8 'Saders back then. Put on awesome Airshows at port calls in Trinidad, So. America, Panama & Mexico! Fun cruise.
BzB

 

[exNavyOffRec]

I can't find anything so far in the OFFCRUITMAN about this, which means it would probably be a NRC waiver, and who knows what they would do, I believe other contries are more forgiving of a person joining their service after serving in ours than the other way around.

 

[jacks]

I can't find anything so far in the OFFCRUITMAN about this, which means it would probably be a NRC waiver, and who knows what they would do, I believe other contries are more forgiving of a person joining their service after serving in ours than the other way around.

Huh... serving my country is a crime? :/

 

[BusyBee604]

Huh... serving my country is a crime? :/

Crime? If it requires a waiver, that doesn't make it a crime. Many medical or legal issues may require a waiver. That doesn't make them a crime. If it requires a waiver & it's not granted then you choose to enlist...then you may lose your citizenship, but I doubt that would be considered a crime.
BzB

 

[jacks]

Isn't an NRC waiver specifically for criminal matters though?

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Isn't an NRC waiver specifically for criminal matters though?

no

 

[Jim123]

Important question- does Irish law define the Coast Guard as military/"armed forces" or does it define it as police?

More important question- how will the people handling your application to the U.S. Navy/USNA interpret the above question? "Armed forces" is the key phrase here...

(I don't know the answer to either.)

 

[zab1001]

My primary goal is to become a U.S naval officer though.

Then quit fucking around and apply for a commissioning source. Your situation is like guys talking about wanting to enlist in the reserves before applying to an officer accession program. Joining the Irish whatever is only going to slow down and complicate your process. It will be viewed as a neutral factor by the review board, at best. Hopefully such foreign service won't impede the process, but guess what, IT WILL. Which title do you want more?

 

[HAL Pilot]

The RAAF used to poach the occasional USN P-3 pilot/NFO, usually as they completed their PEP tours. There were never citizenship problems with them. I personally knew two of these guys and for a time after my first shore tour they were trying to convince me to jump ship to the RAAF too.

 

[Brett327]

The RAAF used to poach the occasional USN P-3 pilot/NFO, usually as they completed their PEP tours. There were never citizenship problems with them. I personally knew two of these guys and for a time after my first shore tour they were trying to convince me to jump ship to the RAAF too.

The current gouge on joining the RAAF as an officer is that you have to renounce your US citizenship. There was a story going around a few months ago and that was in the fine print as a RAAF requirement.

 

[jmcquate]

Fascinating discourse. Thanks for letting me take a peek. My only "sorta similar" exposure was this situation kinda in reverse. When I was XO of VF-51 in the mid-80s (Yes, to answer your question...we did ALL of the TOMCAT flying for the making of the movie "TOP GUN" (less the US Navy stock footage)...our squadron "head nod" for that was the script plot line that Maverick's dad, Duke Mitchell, was a Naval Aviator with VF-51 aboard the USS Oriskany (CV-34) during the Vietnam War, and that he died on November 5, 1965 when his McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II was shot down...even though Oriskany never operated Phantoms), one of our more stellar pilot JOs (he flew in the movie...his name is in the credits...) was ending his obligated service, and "felt driven" by family background to join the Israeli Air Force afterwards. He went, and did, and because, I suppose, of a perhaps "special relationship" we may have had or continue to have, there was no issue about his US citizenship. Not really germane to your situation, I understand, but I've never yet had the opportunity before to give this great American a "shout out" for ALL of his service. Thanks for letting me do so here.

I believe all Jews are considered Isriali citizens if they choose to be.....might have changed. Did you fly wih D-Bear? I met him a few times when I was doing time at JSC. Good guy.

 

[squorch2]

This is called the right law of return. Doesn't mean that all Jews have dual citizenship.

 

[HAL Pilot]

The current gouge on joining the RAAF as an officer is that you have to renounce your US citizenship. There was a story going around a few months ago and that was in the fine print as a RAAF requirement.

On the U.S. side there was no citizenship problem but I don't really know how the U.S. would react if you wanted to go back to the USN after serving in the RAAF. Back then the RAAF had that same requirement to renounce citizenship but as they were very short P-3 officers, they waived it. They also waived it for any Brits and Canadians who wanted to join.

One of the two guys actually retired from the USN then joined the RAAF. I know he had to jump through a bunch of hoops to get permission due to retirees being eligible for recall to active duty. I do know he drew both his USN retired pay and RAAF active pay.

 

[jacks]

Important question- does Irish law define the Coast Guard as military/"armed forces" or does it define it as police?

More important question- how will the people handling your application to the U.S. Navy/USNA interpret the above question? "Armed forces" is the key phrase here...

(I don't know the answer to either.)

Well according to Irish law it's an emergency service (Like the police, fire department, EMS). But I can see your point that it might be mistaken.

 

[Flash]

The current gouge on joining the RAAF as an officer is that you have to renounce your US citizenship. There was a story going around a few months ago and that was in the fine print as a RAAF requirement.

I am pretty sure you don't have to renounce your US citizenship but you do have to become an Australian citizen, which is obviously still a big step.

Edit: Found this on the State webpage about serving in foreign militaries, "In adjudicating loss of nationality cases, the Department has established an administrative presumption that a person serving in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities against the United States does not have the intention to relinquish citizenship."