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OCS Low Undergrad GPA, masters degree, prior civilian legal trouble, good conduct enlisted
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FormerRecruitingGuru
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There are enlisted and civilian OCS applicants just like you with a better GPA than you and ZERO legal and/or drug (if applicable) waivers needed and they STILL get passed up. You have a liberal arts degree essentially applying for programs (Intel and Supply in particular) seeking STEM or business-focused (supply) majors. You can throw the "I did interviews with O-5s, O-6s and got 10s" excuse, well guess what? Dozens more have as well! I don't think I've seen an enlisted applicant on here applying for OCS NOT get 10s on their interview appraisal sheet.
You need to be realistic with yourself and consider going SWO or even Pilot/NFO if you can get an age waiver and pass the aviation physical requirements.
SWO I would say you have a decent shot. Intel and Supply... very limited...
PS- You can't submit different applications to different boards. Either apply for one or apply for multiple, but be aware SWO won't allow your choice to be third or lower and Supply/Intel won't highly consider you beyond second.
PO2 Alexander
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Already have the age waiver, I'm good until December 9 2019. Flight physical and dapa screening was taken 3 days ago so I do qualify for flight, but that will be my last choice. And thank you for your input, I'm still applying for supply and Intel. I have a java and c++ internship, which should help. My legal trouble was 10 years ago, and I've proven I can excel in a grad school at an ivy league university, so my undergrad GPA doesn't concern me any more. Who said anything about a liberal arts degree? No matter what you say, I will still apply. Thanks for your input and sarcasm though. All the negativity in the world won't keep me from applying. I killed it as an enlisted sailor and now have any ivy league degree. It's been 10 years since my legal trouble so I'll take my chances.
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Sounds like a great question for your NC1 or Officer Recruiter.
On a related note, you might want to be a little less sensitive to sarcasm and negativity if you want to succeed as a Commissioned Officer...
So you have your answer from the horse’s mouth, why are you Mom and Pop’ing them with random people on the internet?
exNavyOffRec
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since you are AD it may be different, but at the time reservist and those who were prior did need one even though they had one before.
Telling you the truth is not throwing a “gut punch” it’s setting your expectations in reality. While there are always exceptions to the rule, RUFIO has been there, done that, and is one of our resident experts on the topic at hand.
You aren’t competitive in Intel or Supply, and you are not getting any younger. He’s trying to help you focus your efforts in a direction which MAY offer you a more competitive chance at a commission.
You can choose to ignore him, at your own peril. The Navy is not hurting for qualified applicants.
You aren’t competitive in Intel or Supply, and you are not getting any younger. He’s trying to help you focus your efforts in a direction which MAY offer you a more competitive chance at a commission.
You can choose to ignore him, at your own peril. The Navy is not hurting for qualified applicants.
exNavyOffRec
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I have had people with online U of Phoenix degree get picked up and an Ivy league degree get turned down, I don't think they even have time to look at the school.
You can still apply but you just need to have realistic expectations, IWC has roughly a 10% selection rate, that is why they have such a high average GPA of 3.5, and they get many more applying with non-tech degrees that apply with tech degrees, and they shoot for a 60/40 tech/non tech split.
You'd better have some serious shit up on GitHub if you're ever trying to get in as a developer with two non-technical degrees, one internship, and no formal CS training. If you impressed the company where you interned and they want to hire you, great. Otherwise, getting in as a non-traditional hire isn't easy when you're up against one of the metric shit-ton of CS grads who are known quantities. Not impossible if you can get an interview and rock it. But getting the interview won't be easy . . .
PO2 Alexander
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Look up Step IT up America. It's the equivalent of a CS degree (the internships). I should have been more clear about that. Thanks for the advice, I'll check back in here in about 6 months to let you know if I made or didn't make board
FormerRecruitingGuru
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You have a Masters Degree in Humanities... that’s a liberal arts degree.
You created a thread where you listed your stats and circumstances/background and got candid advice from those familiar with the process. What did you expect? Did you want us to told your hand or give you an award for trying?
Even with your “Ivy league” degree you are an average candidate competitive at best. Your GPA is still below the competitive average and coupled with the legal/drug history and the non-STEM degree... the odds are against you.
As mentioned before, you need to be realistic with your options in becoming an officer. You, like many enlisted out there enter a “smokescreen” where they believe they’re competitive for programs because they have a degree. They come on AWs, just like you, post their information and when they’re informed of their grim chances, go on the offensive. Furthermore, they act “surprised” when they’re not selected because they don’t fit the mold of what the boards are looking more. They don’t come to terms with their circumstances and don’t take the advice of folks like myself and @NavyOffRec to make the adjustments and either age out or move on.
You are coming into AWs showing off your “Top 5”/Ivy League Masters degree and wanting people to tell you that you’re a shoe-in for Supply and Intel, when in reality you’re not.
PO2 Alexander
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That's nice. Still applying and you won't talk me out of it, sorry.
Worst case scenario, I was accepted into UC Berkley Law and have exceptional LSAT scores, and I'll go the DCO route later in life. Thanks for your input. I'm still applying.
PO2 Alexander
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So am I showing off or listing my stats, please pick one? I thought I was trying to prove I've turned my life around since 2009, sorry if you think it's showing off.
For the record people get BAs and MAs in liberal arts. A humanities degree is a humanities degree. There's a difference, I think I would know, I've been around academia more recently than you.
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