MCPON under investigation for alleged abusive leadership

[wink]

In the military privileges are accorded individuals based, roughly, on degree of responsibility. MCPON absolutely doe not have anywhere near the responsibilities of a 3 star. Perhaps it is time to reconsider the TRADITION regarding privileges of MCPONs.

 

[robav8r]

In the military privileges are accorded individuals based, roughly, on degree of responsibility. MCPON absolutely doe not have anywhere near the responsibilities of a 3 star. Perhaps it is time to reconsider the TRADITION regarding privileges of arrogant, self aggrandizing, pompous, senior enlisted service members.

FIFY . . . . .

 

[exNavyOffRec]

In the military privileges are accorded individuals based, roughly, on degree of responsibility. MCPON absolutely doe not have anywhere near the responsibilities of a 3 star. Perhaps it is time to reconsider the TRADITION regarding privileges of MCPONs.

If a MCPON understood the privileges were out of the ordinary they would be be grateful to be given them when they are in that position, a MCPON that expects to be given privileges the same as flag officers and then treats people like crap obviously does not remember where he came from, what it was like to be washing dishes, or what it was like to be treated like someone that didn't matter.

 

[wink]

If a MCPON understood the privileges were out of the ordinary they would be be grateful to be given them when they are in that position, a MCPON that expects to be given privileges the same as flag officers and then treats people like crap obviously does not remember where he came from, what it was like to be washing dishes, or what it was like to be treated like someone that didn't matter.

Which makes him a pretty useless advisor on enlisted affairs, his raison d'etre.

 

[PhrogLoop]

Peace out...https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/politics/us-navy-leader-steps-down-ig-investigation/index.html

 

[Brett327]

Good riddance.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Peace out...https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/politics/us-navy-leader-steps-down-ig-investigation/index.html

not surprised

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

Fleet Smith from CNP/MPTE taking acting MCPON role.

 

[Hair Warrior]

IMCPON absolutely doe not have anywhere near the responsibilities of a 3 star.

Concur. That whole “3 star privileges” thing for the top enlisted leader of each Service is really just about where the paper name tent gets placed on a conference table in the E ring. Or, the order in which they walk through a doorway if traveling in a group/constellation of flag officers. Protocol stuff, not decisionmaking. Their staff is not there to take their orders, but rather, to be caretakers of the office functions and manage his/her schedule, speeches, public/media affairs, paperwork flow, etc.

 

[Flash]

Concur. That whole “3 star privileges” thing for the top enlisted leader of each Service is really just about where the paper name tent gets placed on a conference table in the E ring. Or, the order in which they walk through a doorway if traveling in a group/constellation of flag officers. Protocol stuff, not decisionmaking. Their staff is not there to take their orders, but rather, to be caretakers of the office functions and manage his/her schedule, speeches, public/media affairs, paperwork flow, etc.

Unfortunately most folks I dealt didn’t seem to get that distinction, including CSM’s.

 

[nittany03]

Unfortunately most folks I dealt didn’t seem to get that distinction, including CSM’s.

To repeat Brett’s point . . . it’s because we let them. Officers can’t let senior NCOs walk all over them, or all over other officers.

 

[Flash]

To repeat Brett’s point . . . it’s because we let them. Officers can’t let senior NCOs walk all over them, or all over other officers.

I saw that, and it is great advice for E-9's at the unit level but what about those who directly serve under GOFO's? They are the ones who are given the most leeway and privileges, and usually have the attitudes to match. As a group the Navy folks I deployed with to augment the Army, mostly reservists, did our very best to ignore and belittle the CSM mafia but it is institutionalized in the Army and to a degree the other services. O-6 and above and E-9's (and W-5's now to) go left to the VIP section while you peons go to the right. What then? Or when a General tells you his CSM gets the O-6 room and just deal with it?

Great idea, hard sometimes to do in practice.

 

[nittany03]

I saw that, and it is great advice for E-9's at the unit level but what about those who directly serve under GOFO's? They are the ones who are given the most leeway and privileges, and usually have the attitudes to match. As a group the Navy folks I deployed with to augment the Army, mostly reservists, did our very best to ignore and belittle the CSM mafia but it is institutionalized in the Army and to a degree the other services. O-6 and above and E-9's (and W-5's now to) go left to the VIP section while you peons go to the right. What then? Or when a General tells you his CSM gets the O-6 room and just deal with it?

Great idea, hard sometimes to do in practice.

Agreed; as always, there’s limits to one’s ability to “stick it to the Man” in the military. But the point remains that this sense of entitlement among some senior NCOs exists because it’s been facilitated by at least part of the officer corps, be they GOFOs or people more junior.