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Mobilizations, when did you tell your employer?

bubblehead

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Isn't it a max 36 months to qual for the designator? Once you get that done, you can go on ADOS and MOB, right? I know there's the separate qual for the IWO pin, but it doesn't block people from ADOS or MOB unless people bend the rules to be able to apply for MOB as an ENS.
After you commission your MAS Code is set to TBH indicating you are in a training status which puts the brakes on everything. You have 36 months from time of commissioning to earn your basic designator qualification. For Intel/1835 this is AQD 3I1 and for IP/1825 this is AQD GA1. That's all that's needed to mobilize you either voluntarily or involuntarily. The stupid IDWO pin is not a requirement.

You cannot volunteer to mobilize until you have your basic designator qualification completed. Period. End of story. Will not happen. Don't ask.
 

snake020

Contributor
Isn't it a max 36 months to qual for the designator? Once you get that done, you can go on ADOS and MOB, right? I know there's the separate qual for the IWO pin, but it doesn't block people from ADOS or MOB unless people bend the rules to be able to apply for MOB as an ENS.

Regarding designator-agnostic ADOS, I've been told it doesn't look so good come promotion boards in my community. The possibility of considering ADOS is still a few years off for me anyways, and ideally would be OCONUS.

This kind of goes back to Pags' point. Is 6 years to qualify before you can think of doing any of ADOS, MOB, change units, and 14 years after that of doing all Navy work possible to be competitive and not get FOS worth $1400 or so a month after 60? This being at the expense of millions of dollars of expected additional earnings in a particular field/industry due to ongoing career damage. Seems like a heck of a gamble for a guaranteed loss. That's assuming too that the status quo stays and the reserve retirement system doesn't get cut into given the way things have been trending.

I see most of the audience in this thread as Reservists who started on active duty, not coming in as a boot Ensign to the Navy Reserve after having first started a private sector career. IMO, I do not see the value proposition for going DCO without prior experience and it's a different discussion than what's been in this thread.
 

SELRES_AMDO

Well-Known Member
I think an honest question of mine would be if there are many (or any) reserve babies that made it to that level (on the mil side)? Seems like a very tall hill to climb without an AC career to precede it.
I don't know any. Both of the people who I know personally were prior active duty guys who then had civilian jobs in high level Navy commands and continued on as reservists.

I agree that starting as a boot ensign DCO and making flag would be a very difficult hill to climb.
 

nodropinufaka

Well-Known Member
I’m not sure I see the benefit of DCO.

Id prob be able to stomach the reserves as a JO if I was able to start at 22 as a fresh O1.

but requiring a bunch of experience to just be able to join as a unqualified O1 and be ten years behind your active component peers? No thanks
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
DCO is better suited to people who are a few years older and have built their careers and lives in the meantime, and for whatever reason they didn't sign up for active duty when they were much younger. Or they used to be in, many years ago, and this is a way to come back.
 

nodropinufaka

Well-Known Member
DCO is better suited to people who are a few years older and have built their careers and lives in the meantime, and for whatever reason they didn't sign up for active duty when they were much younger. Or they used to be in, many years ago, and this is a way to come back.
I mean I get that.

I just dont know if I would do it.

Having to do that entire qual process and a bunch of admin work in addition to my full time job.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
I mean I get that.

I just dont know if I would do it.

Having to do that entire qual process and a bunch of admin work in addition to my full time job.
Yeah, I figured you got it and I hope I didn't come across otherwise.

It is a funny vibe when you have an accomplished 35 year old wearing butter bars and herding cats for the drill weekend urinalysis... while getting through the next CBT module of Navy Supply 101, intel school prerequisites, or whatever system their community uses. At least the docs and nurses get credentialed under military medicine (a bit like state credentialing in civilian medicine and health care) so they are sort of more fully qualified sooner, then their training is largely continuing medical education (also similar to civilian careers in health care). It's a lot different than delegating a task to a 20-something ENS that'll be challenging enough that they'll learn things about the Navy while doing it but it's also simple enough that screwing it up won't do too much damage.
 

Hair Warrior

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After you commission your MAS Code is set to TBH indicating you are in a training status which puts the brakes on everything. You have 36 months from time of commissioning to earn your basic designator qualification. For Intel/1835 this is AQD 3I1 and for IP/1825 this is AQD GA1. That's all that's needed to mobilize you either voluntarily or involuntarily. The stupid IDWO pin is not a requirement.

You cannot volunteer to mobilize until you have your basic designator qualification completed. Period. End of story. Will not happen. Don't ask.
Funny story, long ago I reached out to the CNIFR mob office with a mob question about ~8 mo after qualifying, and still got a semi-abrupt reply about needing to qual first (bc sometimes the paperwork is slow to make your record reflect your quals). So yeah @bubblehead isn’t joking.
 

nodropinufaka

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I figured you got it and I hope I didn't come across otherwise.

It is a funny vibe when you have an accomplished 35 year old wearing butter bars and herding cats for the drill weekend urinalysis... while getting through the next CBT module of Navy Supply 101, intel school prerequisites, or whatever system their community uses. At least the docs and nurses get credentialed under military medicine (a bit like state credentialing in civilian medicine and health care) so they are sort of more fully qualified sooner, then their training is largely continuing medical education (also similar to civilian careers in health care). It's a lot different than delegating a task to a 20-something ENS that'll be challenging enough that they'll learn things about the Navy while doing it but it's also simple enough that screwing it up won't do too much damage.

i kind of find reservist in 2 camps.

ones that came off of AD and had roughly 10 years active service and trying to survive the next 10 without too much stress.

and the others who joined late and are trying their best to learn the ropes quickly.

I wish they’d find a better way to train them.

I still don’t understand why we can’t be like army and national guard and just send people to ocs and then their respective service school and back to the reserves. The army and national guard have had a pretty good track record doing that
 

nittany03

Recovering NFO. Herder of Programmers.
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I still don’t understand why we can’t be like the Army and National Guard, and just send people to OCS, then their respective service school, and back to the reserves. The Army and National Guard have had a pretty good track record doing that
Because the active component knows dick about how to properly employ reservists, and many of them don't care to learn, either.
 
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Interested in what the math is to prove that someone is losing literally millions in guaranteed future earnings. How do you quantify so-called "career damage?"

It's a fair question. Of course, this isn't the place to disclose financials, but I'll make a couple points. Let's say I lose my job (again) and I'm tired of fighting and overperforming all the time to stay in good graces in this field and industry because of the reserve gig. So I go the "safe" route with a govie job. Almost every reserve officer I know in real life is a government employee, all great people too, so it seems like the common route. Let's say a miracle happens and I get GS-13 step 10 (highly unlikely) for my locale and we include the pension. This is the max I'll ever go without a PhD if I understand correctly. That's still less than half of my current compensation without including the very generous 401(k) employer matching either and many other benefits, how much less than half feel free to fill in the blanks.

Meanwhile in my status quo career, I'm still young and there's tons of room for title and compensation growth. Even if the highest I go career-wise is middle management in my particular field/industry, I'm looking at making well over half a million a year. It's a simple example of where I am and what's ahead for me since I'm getting long-winded but do the math.

Ever been passed up on a promotion that was communicated that you'd be getting and denied a very generous raise, bonus, and upwards of $100k in RSUs because of "concerns regarding focus" due to external activities (contrived, but what can you do)? That may have happened to me after commissioning. :)

TL;DR because this is getting long: While not financially ruinous, giving up making millions more than one otherwise would for the sake of a part-time gig is probably a questionable financial and life decision, and every friend and family member is more than happy to bring it up whenever the Navy gets brought up heh.

After you commission your MAS Code is set to TBH indicating you are in a training status which puts the brakes on everything. You have 36 months from time of commissioning to earn your basic designator qualification. For Intel/1835 this is AQD 3I1 and for IP/1825 this is AQD GA1. That's all that's needed to mobilize you either voluntarily or involuntarily. The stupid IDWO pin is not a requirement.

You cannot volunteer to mobilize until you have your basic designator qualification completed. Period. End of story. Will not happen. Don't ask.

Yes agreed, that's what I more or less said to the other user in response to the implication that it takes 4-5 years to qual as an 1835. It's why I've seen that an ENS 1835 got a billet for MOB. He did his designator quals and then was free to MOB.

I juxtaposed this with another designator where it'll take a good ~6 years to qual (thanks to COVID) and before that point you can't do anything: no ADOS, no MOB, not even switching units outside of the program. Sometimes it's rolling the dice on reserve designators and finding out how much the PQS and simultaneous unit responsibilities are going to bite you. At least in my case, I was given some really incorrect gouge from officers in the community which had I known was false I'd absolutely have applied for a different designator, but I don't think I would have done a few of the cool things I've done so far in another designator so there's an upside.
 

ABMD

Bullets don't fly without Supply
After you commission your MAS Code is set to TBH indicating you are in a training status which puts the brakes on everything. You have 36 months from time of commissioning to earn your basic designator qualification. For Intel/1835 this is AQD 3I1 and for IP/1825 this is AQD GA1. That's all that's needed to mobilize you either voluntarily or involuntarily. The stupid IDWO pin is not a requirement.

You cannot volunteer to mobilize until you have your basic designator qualification completed. Period. End of story. Will not happen. Don't ask.
Same for Supply, the only orders you're going on are to school for the first 18-24 months. Your ATs and ADT will be used for school. Once you're done, then you can MOB, warfare device is not a requirement for MOB.
 

Hair Warrior

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i kind of find reservist in 2 camps.

ones that came off of AD and had roughly 10 years active service and trying to survive the next 10 without too much stress.

and the others who joined late and are trying their best to learn the ropes quickly.

I wish they’d find a better way to train them.

I still don’t understand why we can’t be like army and national guard and just send people to ocs and then their respective service school and back to the reserves. The army and national guard have had a pretty good track record doing that
No other service direct commissions officers outside of JAG, medical, or chaplain. And maybe now cyber.
 
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