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My unique personal situation regarding BDCP/NUPOC

inittowinit

New Member
Okay, first of all my preference is NUPOC but I would gladly go for BDCP as well. I just want to post my specific situation and get some opinions of what is reasonable for me to hope for.

I am currently a sophomore at U. of Illlinois who is majoring in bioengineering/economics. There are some positive and negative factors affecting my chances of being accepted to NUPOC or BDCP. First, I will list the positives. I am a National Merit Semifinalist, which only the top half of the top 1% of those taking the SAT become, and I have a 33 ACT. I am also in very good shape (a sub 6 minute mile, 100+ consecutive pushups).

That's it for the positives. lol. Now, there are some negatives. First, am a permanent resident, not a citizen. I've lived in the US since I was 9 (now I'm 20) and could become a citizen at any time though. So I don't know how that would sit with the military, especially regarding NUPOC. Second, my GPA is BAD. Right now after 3 semester its at around a 2.8 although at the end of this semester it should be near a 3.0. I don't know, but freshman year I had to work nearly 40hrs a week and this year work also, so I dunno whether that would ameliorate the GPA in the eyes of selecton board. Third, thanks to a bastard rich neighborhood cop, I have a "disorderly conduct" on my record for throwing a stick of all things.

So, in your esteemed opinions, is my situation at all compatible with wanting to joing NUPAC (preferably) or BDCP?
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
First, am a permanent resident, not a citizen. I've lived in the US since I was 9 (now I'm 20) and could become a citizen at any time though. So I don't know how that would sit with the military, especially regarding NUPOC.

You can't be an officer unless you are a citizen, and you can't enter officer accession programs either (NUPOC or BDCP). So the first thing you should do is become a citizen.

Unfortunately, because of a recent surge in citizenship applications within the last year, it is taking much longer to finish the process for citizenship than it used to take. About a year from the latest I have seen, I would not be surprised if it was a bit longer in csome cases. So your priority should be to get citizenship first and foremost, and it costs a couple hundred dollars too, because without that you really can't start anything.
 

inittowinit

New Member
Oh, I know that. Like I said, I can get citizenship at any time, my concern about the topic of citizenship is how they would look at somebody who only got his citizenship really recently, especially for NUPOC. They're pretty paranoid about everything, I'm sure.
 

SemperGumbi

Just a B guy.
pilot
Impossible to say. But the more you drag your feet on doing it (you can do it at any time, right? So whats wrong with today?) the larger the chance of it looking odd. That goes for ANYTHING standing between any candidate and a Commission; the longer you wait the more reason someone might have to say, "What was he waiting for?"

Waiting until the last minute to do stuff generally is a bad idea.
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Oh, I know that. Like I said, I can get citizenship at any time, my concern about the topic of citizenship is how they would look at somebody who only got his citizenship really recently, especially for NUPOC. They're pretty paranoid about everything, I'm sure.

I was not joking about the increased length of time, you are not going to get citizenship shortly after applying nowadays. I doubt the recruiters will even bother to look at you until you raise your right hand and become a citizen. That needs to be priority number one.

I am not sure about NUPOC even after you become a citizen, though your concerns might be valid. Talk to a NUPOC recruiter to be sure.
 

BigRed389

Registered User
None
Took me 1.5 years back in '05.

And the only thing that's an issue for me at the moment is parents not being citizens when they do checks for security clearances. And for me, when applying, ruled out NUPOC, Intel, and IW, according to my recruiter.
 

inittowinit

New Member
Yeah, you guys are right, I'd better start the citizenship application ASAP. There is no use being a man of tomorrow.

Besides that, what about the other things I wrote about? I am especially concerned about that disorderly conduct thingie, I can well imagine that if they're going to make you an officer they like to see good judgement. How big of a blotch is something like that? In reality, I didn't do ANYTHING wrong that deserved an arrest, just a bastard cop filling his quota, but obviously "everyone is innocent" so they're gonna take this thing seriously. Other than this incident I've never been in any trouble either at school or anywhere else except for a curfew violation when I was like 13, so will they let it slide or what.

And btw, does anyone know a rough "% accepted" into BDCP or NUPOC?
 

inittowinit

New Member
@Big Red

Are you serious, man? Having parents who are not citizens is enough to flat out disqualify you for NUPOC? Well in that case I can count myself out lol. Damn, but that's harsh.
 

HeyJoe

Fly Navy! ...or USMC
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Super Moderator
Contributor
Yeah, you guys are right, I'd better start the citizenship application ASAP. There is no use being a man of tomorrow.

Besides that, what about the other things I wrote about? I am especially concerned about that disorderly conduct thingie, I can well imagine that if they're going to make you an officer they like to see good judgement. How big of a blotch is something like that? In reality, I didn't do ANYTHING wrong that deserved an arrest, just a bastard cop filling his quota, but obviously "everyone is innocent" so they're gonna take this thing seriously. Other than this incident I've never been in any trouble either at school or anywhere else except for a curfew violation when I was like 13, so will they let it slide or what.

And btw, does anyone know a rough "% accepted" into BDCP or NUPOC?

Your attitude towards this incident may make you feel good describing the events in a bar or to friends, but it's not going to help your application if you don't step up to the plate. Since you didn't challenge the arrest in court, and you're trying to rationalize the incident as cop out of bounds, you're hurting your case. Just explain that you got a disorderly conduct and quit rationalizing it as someone else's fault.

Worry more about your GPA and stop rationalizing why you haven't finished your citizenship paperwork.
 

SWCS242

SWO in-training
Cops don't have quotas so you probably actually were disorderly. The situation is over and done with, so it might help you out in the future to say you did something stupid, regret it, and learned from your mistake rather than blaming the "bastard cop" who was "filling a quota." If you explain it your way to the recruiter, I'm not sure that will get you anywhere.
 

puck_11

Growler LSO
pilot
Took me 1.5 years back in '05.

And the only thing that's an issue for me at the moment is parents not being citizens when they do checks for security clearances. And for me, when applying, ruled out NUPOC, Intel, and IW, according to my recruiter.

I don't think thats the case for NUPOC. We had a kid in my OCS class almost straight off the boat (I don't mean any Navy ships) that could hardly speak English who was NUPOC.
 

BACONATOR

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
Uh.... it took me and my family like 5 years from green card to citizenship, so I sincerely DOUBT you can "get it any time". We weren't exactly from a third-world country either.
 

bluesig1

sure thing
None
My friend from Kenya is having the same problem, he tried to get in the BDCP program with me but he isn't a US citizen. He is an active duty Navy corpsman who is going back to school, but he has this citizenship snag. He is in the process of filing the paperwork, which he has been told will take a long time.
Good luck to you, and don't fall for the scam websites that ask for a bunch of money, the process is the same length. Recruiter can't do anything for him till he becomes a US citizen.

Applications for Citizenship can be obtained online at http://uscis.gov for the application forms
 
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