My unique personal situation regarding BDCP/NUPOC

[inittowinit]

Uh.... it took me and my family like 5 years from green card to citizenship, so I sincerely DOUBT you can "get it any time". We weren't exactly from a third-world country either.

I think you're confusing the time it takes to fulfill the residency requirement for naturalization with the processing time it actually takes to process an application. You need to have been a permanent resident of the US for at least 5 years before you can be naturalized, however, once you have completed the 5 years the application itself takes much less time. I have already been a permanent resident for 10 years, so no problem on that count.

As for the disorderly conduct, first, I will obviously not try to act innocent to the selection board. That being said, I WAS innocent. The cop flat out lied on his report. I threw one stick into the grass near a highway overpass, FAR FROM THE HIGHWAY. On the arrest report, this was transformed by the cop into me "throwing debris from the highway overpass onto the highway." What I actually did might in the harshest possible analysis be described as reckless and dangerous (cause there is the slightest chance that my stick might have *possibly* been blown by the wind onto the highway, lol, fat chance). However, what the cop says I did, that is throwing "debris" and "onto the highway" flat out says that I did something extremely dangerous, if fact that I did it precisely to try to cause great harm (why else throw things onto a highway?). Besides, right after my arrest I talked to the detective at my school about this and he told me that this is something outrageous, throwing a stick is not even enough for a fine, maybe a word with a cop, certainly not something that you are slammed on the hood of a car, handcuffed, and taken to the station for.

 

[HH-60H]

As for the disorderly conduct, first, I will obviously not try to act innocent to the selection board. That being said, I WAS innocent. The cop flat out lied on his report. I threw one stick into the grass near a highway overpass, FAR FROM THE HIGHWAY. On the arrest report, this was transformed by the cop into me "throwing debris from the highway overpass onto the highway." What I actually did might in the harshest possible analysis be described as reckless and dangerous (cause there is the slightest chance that my stick might have *possibly* been blown by the wind onto the highway, lol, fat chance). However, what the cop says I did, that is throwing "debris" and "onto the highway" flat out says that I did something extremely dangerous, if fact that I did it precisely to try to cause great harm (why else throw things onto a highway?). Besides, right after my arrest I talked to the detective at my school about this and he told me that this is something outrageous, throwing a stick is not even enough for a fine, maybe a word with a cop, certainly not something that you are slammed on the hood of a car, handcuffed, and taken to the station for.

Imagine if you put paragraph on your application (after smoothing it up a bit). What do you think people reading it will think?

 

[Harrier Dude]

Imagine if you put paragraph on your application (after smoothing it up a bit). What do you think people reading it will think?

I can tell you what I would think:

BUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHIT!

Now, this isn't the crime of the century, but if you're asking us to believe that a cop would just make up a grandiose story just to have the privelege of escorting some kid to jail FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, then I don't believe you. I'm thinking that there has to be more to the story than that. Were you a wiseass to the cop? Were you drunk at the time? Do you have a history with this particular cop? Something stinks here, and your story doesn't add up.

If you were completely innocent, why didn't you fight this in court? If he's lying, and you have witnesses, you should have at least had a fighting chance to beat this case. Considering your youth and the releative lack of severity of this "crime", the vast majority of judges in these cases would have let you off without a record. Or is this a vast conspiracy that involves judges as well?

Look, like I said, the "crime" here isn't too important. People who have done far worse things have gone on to get commissioned and do great things. Some of them will doubtlessly be reading your package. What concerns some of us is your lack of personal responsibility for your actions, however minor or overblown. You may not see this right now, but as a person who was likewise "persecuted" by the cops as a teen, I can honestly look back and understand that it was all (or at least mostly) my fault. Cops have better things to do than invent ways to harass kids.

Don't try to bullshit a bullshitter.

 

[inittowinit]

I think I am being misunderstood here lol. I have already said that to the selection people, my strategy will not be to profess innocence. I will talk about lessons learned and my otherwise lilly clean record (not even a parking ticket!). Why? Cause I know that they will think that I am lying in order to get something I want if I say that I was innocent.

However, in this forum, there is no reason for me to lie. You guys are not going to decide whether I am accepted or rejected for anything. The only possible reason for me to lie to you guys would be so that you don't think I have bad character. However, if that were the case, I simply wouldn't have even mentioned this "crime" at all lol. No, I am here to get honest advice and that is impossible if I give false information. I gain nothing by giving false information but I lose accuraccy of advice. The fact is, my story as i put it in my last post is completely accurate down to the commas.

As to why I didn't dispute it in court, it came down to false information/ingnorance. Like I mentiond before, i talked to the detective in my school and he told me that when I go to court they will just give me a $50 fine and nothing will show up on my record. I asked him if I should plead not guilty, but he told me that since the only people present at the scene were me and the cop, it's going to come down to my word vs his word. Of course, I could have hired a lawyer, but why pay $500 for a lawyer in order to save myself from a $50 fine, right? Of course, it turned out that the thing DID go on my record and instead of a 50 buck fine I had to pay twice that, do 30hrs of community service, and attend "anger management classes", but I didn't know that when I made my decision to not contest the case.

 

[Flash]

I think you're confusing the time it takes to fulfill the residency requirement for naturalization with the processing time it actually takes to process an application. You need to have been a permanent resident of the US for at least 5 years before you can be naturalized, however, once you have completed the 5 years the application itself takes much less time. I have already been a permanent resident for 10 years, so no problem on that count.

I have been trying to clue you in but it does not seem like you are getting it, the application for citizenship takes quite a while nowadays. Because of the immigration debate and the election, a lot of people who have been residents for a long time are applying for citizenshop. There has been a dramatic rise in applications since last summer and there has been no letup. Because of this unexpected rise in applications they are taking much longer to process than they have in the past, the average is 18 months now. So while it is shorter than 5 years, it is still a while.

You are a sophmore right now and are asking about NUPOC (which you likely won't qualify for even when you become a citizen from what other people have said) and BDCP. With the current wait, by the time you get your citizenship apporoved you could be a senior and BDCP might not be an option anymore (?). You might want to search the OCS threads for more info on that, it might be your only realistic option.

Story about the huge number of applicants:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-immig_18jan18,1,5686922.story

USCIS site on the wait: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/us...toid=67257de128ce5110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD

 

[Schnugg]

I think you're confusing the time it takes to fulfill the residency requirement for naturalization with the processing time it actually takes to process an application. You need to have been a permanent resident of the US for at least 5 years before you can be naturalized, however, once you have completed the 5 years the application itself takes much less time. I have already been a permanent resident for 10 years, so no problem on that count.

As for the disorderly conduct, first, I will obviously not try to act innocent to the selection board. That being said, I WAS innocent. The cop flat out lied on his report. I threw one stick into the grass near a highway overpass, FAR FROM THE HIGHWAY. On the arrest report, this was transformed by the cop into me "throwing debris from the highway overpass onto the highway." What I actually did might in the harshest possible analysis be described as reckless and dangerous (cause there is the slightest chance that my stick might have *possibly* been blown by the wind onto the highway, lol, fat chance). However, what the cop says I did, that is throwing "debris" and "onto the highway" flat out says that I did something extremely dangerous, if fact that I did it precisely to try to cause great harm (why else throw things onto a highway?). Besides, right after my arrest I talked to the detective at my school about this and he told me that this is something outrageous, throwing a stick is not even enough for a fine, maybe a word with a cop, certainly not something that you are slammed on the hood of a car, handcuffed, and taken to the station for.

Obvioucly, there's more to this than meets the eye...

So were you out there near the highway overpass in your Sunday best right after church on Sunday morning...or perhaps it was Saturday night at 0200 in "yo baddest gangsta get up"???