MasterBates
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How does being retired make it easier? Just curious how that is easier than say someone who flew 12 years on AD and has an Engineering Degree.
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I didn't mean WRT to them being hired if that is what you are asking. I was referring to the WB-57 in Afghanistan doing mineral/geological surveys and more recently flying the Battlefield Airborne Communications Node (BACN) payload where the crews' status as military, even though retired, made it easier to fly in a war zone coordination/legal-wise. A plain govie civilian would have been harder from what I understand.
MasterBates
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Ah, the whole "Fleet Reserve" thing factoring in. Makes sense.
Didn't know if this was some boondoggle the retiree crowd was keeping to themselves. How would that play with SELRES doing it as their CIV job? I know the NOSC I was going to drill at had real issues with me working in Dubai, Saudi and Russia, but couldn't produce anything saying I was prohibited from it. (I stayed IRR mostly due to this, and expecting me to do at least 10 hours a week Admin crap. For free)
Didn't know if this was some boondoggle the retiree crowd was keeping to themselves. How would that play with SELRES doing it as their CIV job? I know the NOSC I was going to drill at had real issues with me working in Dubai, Saudi and Russia, but couldn't produce anything saying I was prohibited from it. (I stayed IRR mostly due to this, and expecting me to do at least 10 hours a week Admin crap. For free)
A Canberra was in private hands and flew into FFZ, home field of the AZ Wing of the CAF, several years ago. It was parked outside the CAF hangar for a long time. I was told they had multiple serious malfunctions on the ferry flight across the pond and as of the last time I saw it a couple years ago, it still wasn't flying. That particular aircraft was an actual English Electric model from the RAF. The ones made in the US by Martin we slightly modified from the original British version. The NASA birds also look different than the civy one I saw. Bigger engines maybe and a different tail. I heard that the original design tail was too small for the motors at mil power on takeoff and provided marginal single engine authority.
They still do.
Probably the best indication of what a different era of aircraft the B-57 came from is the fact that it's engines were designed to be cartridge started. Woah.
Anyone have any insight as to whether they still are?http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=g9fkmqPHTDE&desktop_uri=/watch?v=g9fkmqPHTDE
Anyone have any insight as to whether they still are?http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=g9fkmqPHTDE&desktop_uri=/watch?v=g9fkmqPHTDE
I'm guessing that it is used when no huffer is available.
What do most "modern" planes use for starts? IE Rhinos, E-2Ds, F-35/F-22, Ospreys etc? APUs for bleed air? Hydraulic accumulators? Some kind of crazy electric starter?
I assume the J-model hercs are similar to the mighty Orion in that they start off bleed air...
I assume the J-model hercs are similar to the mighty Orion in that they start off bleed air...
Battery starts small engine which provides bleed air which turns starter...P-3, C-130, T-45, F-18...
Battery starts small engine which powers electric starter...F-35
Battery starts small engine which uses mechanical connection to turn turbine...F-16, F-15
Battery turns starter which starts engine...T/C-12, T-44, T-34, T-6,
Battery starts small engine which powers electric starter...F-35
Battery starts small engine which uses mechanical connection to turn turbine...F-16, F-15
Battery turns starter which starts engine...T/C-12, T-44, T-34, T-6,
Hydraulic accumulator spins up APU. APU provides air source to start engines - H-60.
No. The WB-57Fs have TF33s instead of the J65s that almost all the rest of the B-57s had, the TF33 is also on the the B-52H and E-3.
MasterBates
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E-2A/B/C/D all used huffers (Air Cart).. That's right.. E-2D brand new bazillion dollar plane. NO APU.
C-2A uses onboard APU, but can use huffer.
60Bs are APU only. 60F and I think 60H APU or Huffer.
Not sure on the 60R.
C-2A uses onboard APU, but can use huffer.
60Bs are APU only. 60F and I think 60H APU or Huffer.
Not sure on the 60R.
That right there should tell any prospective E2/C2 bubba, which community cares more about your happiness and well being. Think how limited the XC options are when you have to plan for a huffer. Ghey.
Well I'll give you that the battery must be on, but the Hornet APU is spooled up by a hydraulic accumulator, prior to lighting off and becoming self aware. Then as you say, it pushes air through the bleed ducts to crank the individual motors. There is no "starter" in addition to the APU. It's been a long time (as in I remember exactly nothing about it) since I've been around a T-45, but I think the start-up system was a little bit more convoluted, and probably as you describe.