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Navy Dedicated SAR Squadrons

taxi1 said:
It will be an UAV dropping a USV. Or maybe…wait for it…a seaplane UAV. Lands on the water once.
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This is all a very imaginative fantasy at this point though. I do not believe we’re developing anything like this at all.
 
ChuckMK23 said:
CV-22 with MC-130 in tow.....
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But then who recovers the downed (floating) airmen? I've never heard a good assessment of a xV-22 doing hoist operations because of how much down wash it produces. Can it be done? Sure, but man you'd get beat to shit. I also wonder how hot that would get with the exhaust. I certainly welcome a correction from a V-22 guy.

Brett327 said:
Those are ALR extreme scenarios in a SCS environment.
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Maybe in 2026 the tide has changed, but back in 2020-21-ish, I believe the Airboss said something to the effect that the pilots were going to need to pull out a Snickers and just going to have to sit in the water and wait. There really isn't a good way to get to them in that environment.
 
What are/were the SAR options for a TRANSPAC F-16, Harrier, or F-35 that has an engine problem and can't make the divert?

Perhaps we start there and build a package around that?
 
Gatordev said:
But then who recovers the downed (floating) airmen? I've never heard a good assessment of a xV-22 doing hoist operations because of how much down wash it produces. Can it be done? Sure, but man you'd get beat to shit. I also wonder how hot that would get with the exhaust. I certainly welcome a correction from a V-22 guy.



Maybe in 2026 the tide has changed, but back in 2020-21-ish, I believe the Airboss said something to the effect that the pilots were going to need to pull out a Snickers and just going to have to sit in the water and wait. There really isn't a good way to get to them in that environment.
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I have been told that CV-22 regularly does rear ramp hoist ops from 100' AGL. I'm going to assume that the AFCS has a doppler integrated?
 
Swanee said:
What are/were the SAR options for a TRANSPAC F-16, Harrier, or F-35 that has an engine problem and can't make the divert?

Perhaps we start there and build a package around that?
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I’m thinking USCG C-130 would be the initial response, then probably coordinate to get a the closest merchant vessel to pick up. This isn’t helpful in a shooting war.
 
Brett327 said:
What platform is launching/recovering that drone, and why isn’t that platform also imperiled?
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Good question. I would think in a highly contested, long range environment you would have to go with something unconventional, something that wouldn’t attract attention like small fishing vessels or perhaps semi-submersible (similar to the drug runners). For something faster, possibly a small drone Wing In Ground Effect that would not be a valuable target like a C-130 or V-22. It is not going to be easy.
 
Brett327 said:
I’m thinking USCG C-130 would be the initial response, then probably coordinate to get a the closest merchant vessel to pick up. This isn’t helpful in a shooting war.
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No, probably not.

MQ-9s are more of a sitting duck than C-130s. If we're in a shooting war, we're going to get shot down.

The Vendee Globe racers that have gotten into trouble have largely self rescued or, in a couple of pretty incredible cases, have been rescued by fellow competitors.

Perhaps the only CSAR you're getting is the people you're immediately with, or you're immediately fighting against.
 
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