Navy Reserve COVID Vaccinations by October

[ABMD]

This.

There are two aspects to this:

First, none of the major religions in the U.S. believe that vaccines are against the practice of faith, and for the ~20-25% of athiests they have no ground to stand on. Second, the other aspect of the waiver is demonstrating that there is no operational impact.

That's not why people are seeking a religious exception.

Some of those seeking a religious exemption are doing so on the basis that fetal cells used in the production of vaccines come from aborted fetuses and many religious people believe that abortion is wrong. This doesn't just apply to the COVID vaccine, there are many that are completely anti-vax on this basis.

 

[bubblehead]

During your first year, I can see something like that happening. I have seen NOSC's cranking down on RESPERSMAN requirements which is a by product of RCC cranking down on NOSC's for noncompliance with RESPERSMAN requirements.

This past DWE, several of my folks were given UA's for not updating their Family Care Plans IAW RESPERSMAN. Yes, they were warned several times prior to the DWE and, while we mustered them present because they were, in fact, present, the NOSC adjudicated them UA for lack of compliance, well within their juris-my-dick-shun...

 

[SlickAg]

During your first year, I can see something like that happening. I have seen NOSC's cranking down on RESPERSMAN requirements which is a by product of RCC cranking down on NOSC's for noncompliance with RESPERSMAN requirements.

This past DWE, several of my folks were given UA's for not updating their Family Care Plans IAW RESPERSMAN. Yes, they were warned several times prior to the DWE and, while we mustered them present because they were, in fact, present, the NOSC adjudicated them UA for lack of compliance, well within their juris-my-dick-shun...

Nice! Now hopefully that happens a few more times, they rack up enough UAs to get booted into the VTU next year, and everyone else’s promotion rates go up!

That’s how this works, right?

 

[bubblehead]

Nice! Now hopefully that happens a few more times, they rack up enough UAs to get booted into the VTU next year, and everyone else’s promotion rates go up!

That’s how this works, right?

I am in the VTU ? but have been on orders since last year.

 

[MGoBrew11]

That's not why people are seeking a religious exception.

Some of those seeking a religious exemption are doing so on the basis that fetal cells used in the production of vaccines come from aborted fetuses and many religious people believe that abortion is wrong. This doesn't just apply to the COVID vaccine, there are many that at completely anti-vax on this basis.

Yep. Important distinction. The Congregation for Doctrine of Faith of the Catholic Church (largest Christian denomination in US) has said that one can receive the vaccine, but is not obligated to do so....and may refuse on the basis of the cell lines involved. It also stated vaccines should not be mandated.

This is all to just to say that some religious exemption requests are legit and the result of sincerely held beliefs AND in accordance with religious teaching even if a specific religion has not said a vaccine is never permissible.

 

[bubblehead]

Some of those seeking a religious exemption are doing so on the basis that fetal cells used in the production of vaccines come from aborted fetuses and many religious people believe that abortion is wrong.

Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.. FFS the Vatican has stated it's "morally acceptable" to take the vaccine... Anything to avoid the inevitable...

I hope our military folks seeking religious exemptions also do the same for these vaccines which are also based on fetal cell lines:

• Hepatitis A
• Rabies
• MMR
• Chickenpox

 

[ABMD]

So here is a question for those more senior than I. Is the Navy allowing sailors to remain in the service and in their current role if they have a legit medical exemption? They can't be vaccinated and are still able to get and transmit the virus. I realize this population is very small, but just curious.

Also, spoke to some of the FTS who are vaccinated, and people are still popping positive (after displaying very minor symptoms) and being sent home for a 2-week quarantine. How is that not impacting readiness...when we have vaccinated still testing positive and being sent home to isolation for 2-weeks?

 

[MGoBrew11]

Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.. FFS the Vatican has stated it's "morally acceptable" to take the vaccine... Anything to avoid the inevitable...

I hope our military folks seeking religious exemptions also do the same for these vaccines which are also based on fetal cell lines:

• Hepatitis A
• Rabies
• MMR
• Chickenpox

Yeah, I’m mostly with you there. Just pointing out it’s not so black and white as “well the Pope says you should get it, therefore you can’t seek an exemption”.

I’m well aware of what the Vatican has said on the issue ?

 

[ABMD]

Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.. FFS the Vatican has stated it's "morally acceptable" to take the vaccine... Anything to avoid the inevitable...

I hope people seeking religious exemptions also do the same for these vaccines which are also based on fetal cell lines:

• Hepatitis A
• Rabies
• MMR
• Chickenpox

Hey, I'm just the messenger, but I know people who refuse those vaccines as well (non-mil) on that basis.

 

[ABMD]

Yeah, I’m mostly with you there. Just pointing out it’s not so black and white as “well the Pope says you should get it, therefore you can’t seek an exemption”.

I’m well aware of what the Vatican has said on the issue ?

And there are other denominations other than the Catholic church, that don't answer to\for follow the lead of the pope.

 

[MGoBrew11]

And there are other denominations other than the Catholic church, that don't answer to\for follow the lead of the pope.

Yeah, I’m just tackling this from the Catholic perspective because it’s what I know. And pointing out that requesting a religious exemption from a Catholic standpoint can be legit. And yes, bubblehead, before you lose your head, I am vaccinated.

 

[wink]

Yep. Important distinction. The Congregation for Doctrine of Faith of the Catholic Church (largest Christian denomination in US) has said that one can receive the vaccine, but is not obligated to do so....and may refuse on the basis of the cell lines involved. It also stated vaccines should not be mandated.

This is all to just to say that some religious exemption requests are legit and the result of sincerely held beliefs AND in accordance with religious teaching even if a specific religion has not said a vaccine is never permissible.

il Papa himself encourages the vaccine for all Catholics and has said, "It is an act of love to help others get the vaccine." So, the Pope says the Navy loves it's sailors. He also heaped praise on the researchers and scientist that developed the vaccine with fetal cell lines. It should be noted that the fetal cell lines used were only in research and testing, and those were gown in the lab "based" on cells from aborted fetus decades ago. The vaccine does not contain any fetal cells. I think if one were a Catholic resfusenik the problem is less a religious one than a hyper strict moral one.

 

[MGoBrew11]

il Papa himself encourages the vaccine for all Catholics and has said, "It is an act of love to help others get the vaccine." So, the Pope says the Navy loves it's sailors. He also heaped praise on the researchers and scientist that developed the vaccine with fetal cell lines. It should be noted that the fetal cell lines used were only in research and testing, and those were gown in the lab "based" on cells from aborted fetus decades ago. The vaccine does not contain any fetal cells. I think if one were a Catholic resfusenik the problem is less a religious one than a hyper strict moral one.

Again, well aware and am vaccinated. Your response is still an oversimplification of Catholic thought on the matter. Just because il Papa encourages it, does not make it dogma/doctrine/a rule etc.

 

[bubblehead]

Yeah, I’m just tackling this from the Catholic perspective because it’s what I know. And pointing out that requesting a religious exemption from a Catholic standpoint can be legit. And yes, bubblehead, before you lose your head, I am vaccinated.

I'm not losing my head ? I just highly doubt that military folks will get anywhere with the religious thing.

NAVSPECWAR has already made their stance on those requesting religious exemptions.

 

[MGoBrew11]

I'm not losing my head ? I just highly doubt that military folks will get anywhere with the religious thing.

NAVSPECWAR has already made their stance on those requesting religious exemptions.

Yeah I’m not really saying they will or should either. That’s honestly for the Navy to decide. The Navy is a unique organization and has a long history of mandatory vaccines. Anyone that is already serving knows this and it’s not a surprise this one was going to become mandatory.