No more Solo X-C for IFS students?

[eddie]

yeah the most dangerous aviator is the 1000-1200 hour guy. I had my mishap at just shy of 1200.

Is that because you are too comfortable with the aircraft?

 

[FlyinRock]

I technically stall every time I land, right? Helps you stay on the ground. Check me on this, but I think it's far better to land fast, break the gear, come in careeing side to side and the like, than it is to be too slow and underpowered anywhere above 20'. Early civil aviation fatalities were rare unless you focused on airplanes hitting the ground in a spin. The stall isn't so bad, it's the incipient spin that kills you (9000-12000' per minute??), which is why it's better to slam into the runway whilst still actually flying than to try and be gentle with the gear when you're already dirty and slow. If IFS teaches nothing else, it should undo a student's natural urge to pull the nose up before the plane is ready for it...I've been in a car crash at 45 mph relative, and I'd rather do that again than feel the pre-spin-departure wobble down low.

"it's the incipient spin that kills you (9000-12000' per minute??), which is why it's better to slam into the runway whilst still ...."
What in hell are you flying? I've done thousands of spins and never NEVER saw more than 1000fpm in a fully developed spin. In general aviation aircraft the norm is closer to 500fpm.
If your preferred technique is slamming into the runway and let it happen, you sure as hell won't be flying any of my aircraft! At the risk of misunderstanding your post, let me say, I'd rather be doing a controlled stall to a landing from 20 feet than to crash it into the runway and go careening side to side with the crash crew in hot pursuit (sorry - I could not resist that one).

 

[Fly Navy]

What in hell are you flying? I've done thousands of spins and never NEVER saw more than 1000fpm in a fully developed spin. In general aviation aircraft the norm is closer to 500fpm.

T-45 will produce those numbers. Eek! (Yes, I know, not a GA aircraft)

 

[Brett327]

"it's the incipient spin that kills you (9000-12000' per minute??), which is why it's better to slam into the runway whilst still ...."
What in hell are you flying? I've done thousands of spins and never NEVER saw more than 1000fpm in a fully developed spin. In general aviation aircraft the norm is closer to 500fpm.
If your preferred technique is slamming into the runway and let it happen, you sure as hell won't be flying any of my aircraft! At the risk of misunderstanding your post, let me say, I'd rather be doing a controlled stall to a landing from 20 feet than to crash it into the runway and go careening side to side with the crash crew in hot pursuit (sorry - I could not resist that one).

Well, many of us are flying tactical jets, so the aforementioned 9-12K FPM altitude loss in a spin is fairly standard, which is also why the procedures for many of us are to eject passing 10K Ft for OCF. I understand the thread is about IFS and GA, but try not to get too excited. At any rate, anyone who flairs to land also squats to pee.

Brett

 

[highlyrandom]

Heck, vertical drop tests showed probable survivability up to 1500 fpm...if I were in a spin at 500 fpm, I'd probably relax a little. That's not even a hard landing. 500 feet per turn is what maybe a Katana can do, but you definitely wouldn't want to hit the ground that fast, it would crush your spine.

http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/topics/stall_spin.pdf

"When proper recovery techniques are used, the one- turn spin altitude loss for both the Cessna 150 and 152 is about 1,000 feet, taking
between 1/4 and 1/2 turn."

So if you're going to be in general aviation for a while, try one of these:

http://brsparachutes.com/faq.html#q7

 

[Schnugg]

Heck, vertical drop tests showed probable survivability up to 1500 fpm...if I were in a spin at 500 fpm, I'd probably relax a little. That's not even a hard landing.

Maybe you could try recovering the plane...

 

[highlyrandom]

touche

I guess I meant one of those planes that's impossible to recover, or whatever...either way I can jump off my deck and hit 500 fpm before I land.

 

[Fly Navy]

Heck, vertical drop tests showed probable survivability up to 1500 fpm...if I were in a spin at 500 fpm, I'd probably relax a little.

Try 500 FPM hitting the ground in a spin with a wing low, cartwheeling you to beyond. You won't survive that.

 

[highlyrandom]

I know...sorry, the post was more to indicate that 500-1000 feet per turn, not per minute, was the norm...which is definitely not survivable even into water or someplace where the cartwheeling has been historically survived.

 

[highlyrandom]

For reference, jog 12 feet in one second...it wouldn't be the g-load that kills you, just landing on your head or hitting it or having the plane burn.

 

[A4sForever]

........ At any rate, anyone who flairs to land also squats to pee.

Brett

Oh YEAH !!!?? OH YEAH !!!!!???



By the way .... the 747 in THIS pictures (below) is called a "747 Carrier Aircraft" .... BELIEVE IT !!!

 

[Brett327]

Oh YEAH !!!?? OH YEAH !!!!!???

Come on, buddy. I know that you sometimes just want to plant that whale down like you mean it. POW!

Brett

 

[A4sForever]

Come on, buddy. I know that you sometimes just want to plant that whale down like you mean it. POW!

Brett

And sometimes I do ..... OWWWW !!!

 

[BOMBSonHAWKEYES]

I think a parachute comes down at like 1000 fpm, so 500 fpm should be a picturesque ride.