NSS Facts

[Jim123]

He also crashed in a swamp and then took off again without telling maintenance. Probably conveniently forgot those little details on his ASAP report.

 

[Gatordev]

For someone who was the second coming (his dad was the first, of course), Luke did crash a lot. He got Artoo's head blown off, he crashed his X-Wing, crashed his snow speeder and also wrecked a speeder bike. Who knows what he crashed when he was off camera.

 

[gotta_fly]

For someone who was the second coming (his dad was the first, of course), Luke did crash a lot. He got Artoo's head blown off, he crashed his X-Wing, crashed his snow speeder and also wrecked a speeder bike. Who knows what he crashed when he was off camera.

Somehow that stuff gets overlooked when you're the (jedi) community golden child.

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[Recovering LSO]

We can pretty much tie this whole thread together with this picture. Any more NSS questions?

 

[bert]

We can pretty much tie this whole thread together with this picture. Any more NSS questions?

What percent make out with their sister?

 

[Jim123]

And why do we never hear things like Sweepers or Eight O'Clock Reports being called away on the 1MC or see things like some guy carrying a blue routing folder and mumbling about the "Stormtrooper of the Quarter" award inputs?

 

[draad]

Thanks for completely derailing a good Star Wars thread. Where are you getting your info? Historically, performance-based attrition is very low throughout flight school, and generally lower in Advanced than Primary. So how is that you've come to the conclusion that chances of making through jet school are lower than "some" think?

I wasn't saying the chance of making it through jet school was less than most think, I was saying the correlation between someone's primary NSS and their ability to make it through any intermediate/advanced pipeline is smaller than most think.

 

[MasterBates]

Drunk mote. Nerd out less.

<---- Shitfaces on Abu Dhabi.

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[Gatordev]

I wasn't saying the chance of making it through jet school was less than most think, I was saying the correlation between someone's primary NSS and their ability to make it through any intermediate/advanced pipeline is smaller than most think.

Eh... For HTs, I would definitely agree. For VT(p), maybe (I never heard the data from there). For VT(j), the stats say otherwise, at least as far as I was always briefed. What was always far more important was making sure that a NSS from a particular squadron was actually valuable. I'm sure, like everything else, it's cycled through the other squadrons since, but when I was at VT-6, we had the lowest attrition out of Advanced, meaning that former VT-6 studs completed Advanced more than other squadrons' studs. You can interpret that a couple of different ways, but basically it meant the heard had been culled appropriately and trash hadn't been sent along to make it someone else's problem.

 

[Gatordev]

Somehow that stuff gets overlooked when you're the (jedi) community golden child.

Don't forget, it was a different time, back then. People crashed their TIE fighters into one another everyday. And just think of the lack of OSHA standards back then. No railings anywhere, guys just working next to the REALLY BRIGHT laser beam, etc. I'm guessing most people on imperial ships wore polyester all the time, even the contractors.

 

[zippy]

T-34 and T-6 NSS's are comparing apples to oranges- thats just the way it is. The programs and aircraft are vastly different. It seems that the HAZEX is more IP induced in the T-34 and more plane/ sylabus induced in the T-6. One could reasonably argue that the bottom feeders who make it through the -34 program would be attrited under the -6 program (hence T-6 having a attrition rate thats twice as high). Do good dudes get cut from those programs either way? Yes. Is it neccesary? Yes. CNATRA historically has had a nasty habit of passing trash to the fleet due to its attempts at cost saving measures (cutting sylabus events, hours/x limitations etc.) while still producing mass quantities of X's.

 

[squorch2]

X pressure and "he's someone else's problem" is real. Neither will go away until real pain is demonstrated - and no CO is going to put their nuts on the block when the next guy will just go back to business as usual.

 

[Gatordev]

There's some feedback being generated and being sent back to CNATRA from the fleet side. Several incidents of low HT (and VT, I think) NSS guys struggling (surprise!) in the RAG. What will become of it, I have no idea. But I have my suspicions.

 

[Recovering LSO]

In my time as a RAG IP we would see the incoming student pilot's VT NSSs before they checked in. With about 95% accuracy we predicted who's bulb was going to flicker (at best) and who's was going to find the steady state "on" position. With the fiscal restraints that we face I can not imagine future capacity to retrain, retrain, and retrain some more as we may have done in the past. BUT, those same fiscal issues just might make it that much harder to throw the towel in on a guy...?

 

[bert]

Back in the late 90's we took an extended look at this in the HC world. There was very little correlation between primary/intermediate scores and FRS/Fleet performance. There was more correlation between performance in advanced and performance in the FRS/Fleet, but it wasn't across the board by any means.