OCS Attrited: options to reenter?

[Casual]

Attritted means you were kicked out of the program. Most people, and by "most people" I mean the very few who get attritted, are kicked out for doing something dishonorable like having sex with other candidates while in the program (I knew of one person this happened to) or lying about something to a staff member. Rarely, people are attritted for being unfit for military duty, usually because they have some sort of mental issues (usually these people DOR instead, but some don't and have to be forced out for everyone's sake). Some other people are attritted because they have serious attitude or authority problems (I knew another person booted for this reason). People aren't kicked from the program just because their Drill Instructor doesn't like them. It's pretty regularly some serious character fault or other incompatibility with the military.

This is why people are saying you will have a tough time reapplying, and why we are saying we can't help you unless you tell us why you were attritted.

 

[Thisguy]

In the meantime maybe you guys can explain what attrited means and why it is rare. After so much paperwork and time I still don't understand just what it means (yes, I've asked).

Being attrited is basically getting kicked out of OCS. It's rare, because nowadays if the staff wants to get rid of someone, they basically work 'em hard until they yell "DOR" then they accept that as a DOR. When I went through in 2002, poor performance wasn't enough to get attrited. They needed a legitimate reason, like surfing porn on a gov't computer or a DUI.

Unless they've upped the standards and have started to attrite those who fail multiple evolutions, DOR and NPQ are pretty much the ways people don't finish OCS.

 

[Sly1978]

In the meantime maybe you guys can explain what attrited means and why it is rare. After so much paperwork and time I still don't understand just what it means (yes, I've asked).

WTF? To be sure I'm understanding this entire thread, you are being attrited from OCS, but you don't know what "attrited" means? That seems a bit odd there, shipmate.

Attrited means to be kicked out. "Thank you for trying, don't let the door hit you on the way out." The reason that we say it's rare is because (at least when I there) you have to really go out of your way to get kicked out of OCS. I mean, when I was there they would keep people who had absolutely no hope of ever passing a PRT in the holding company for months on end.

Honestly, I can't think of any non-medical reason that someone would get kicked out of OCS that would leave them with any kind of hope of ever being considered for re-admission. I think the sad truth may just be that you had your chance and you blew it. I think it's especially safe to say that there's no way in hell that you're going to get a pilot slot now. Sorry to be a prick about it but that's just the truth.

 

[RHPF]

Attritted means you were kicked out of the program. Most people, and by "most people" I mean the very few who get attritted, are kicked out for doing something dishonorable like having sex with other candidates while in the program (I knew of one person this happened to) or lying about something to a staff member. Rarely, people are attritted for being unfit for military duty, usually because they have some sort of mental issues (usually these people DOR instead, but some don't and have to be forced out for everyone's sake).

Rumor mill being what it was at OCS... I think only 1 person was attrited while I was there. If I remember correctly, the guy started in PCola, failed RLP. Came up to Newport, failed several times there. Eventually enough was enough and they showed him the door. Never knew the guy but saw him lingering around chow hall while in student pool, stories being what they are, it sounded like it was due.

 

[Casual]

During my time at OCS I saw probably 350 people graduate and 3 people get attritted, or a less than one percent attrition rate. In other words, if you show up for OCS and don't DOR or get NPQ'd, you have a better than 99% chance of becoming an Ensign. You are in the bottom 1% it would seem, unless the are some pretty big special circumstances.

 

[MIDNJAC]

Does 13900 = 1390 or is that just a coastie designator?

 

[A4sForever]

... maybe you guys can explain what attrited means and why it is rare. After so much paperwork and time I still don't understand just what it means (yes, I've asked).

Really?? Is someone blowin' smoke up our garters here ... ???

It means you are toast.

 

[Dirty]

Does 13900 = 1390 or is that just a coastie designator?

A subtle attempt at a correction that didn't quite stick... Anyhoo, Don't know jack about the Coasties details, that's for you friend. I just know that I would have given it more thought if I were considering a Commission back in the day.

 

[HeyJoe]

I'll keep it as brief as possible and maybe I can get some info.

I've been attrtited from OCS. Note this is not a DOR or NPQ. My separation code is JHD and re-enlist is RE-3K. I have been told it would be best to re-apply as expediently as possible if I'm to come back. This thread is for people who are in a position to know what they're talking about, and if you do I would really appreciate some of your time.

My questions are:

1) Given that I've already applied, is re-applying a longer or shorter process? I have been told it may be more work, but without explanation of why.

Without specifics on your reason for attrition, nobody can predict how long it will take. The reason for your attrition is the issue and to reapply, that has to be addressed as to why it won't happen again and that is the answer to your "why?" question.

2) Will I be able to re-use the same reference letters as they are, or will I have to get them re-dated, or start all over?

You need to go back to your recruiter to ask that, but if I were considering you, I'd want fresh references that strongly endorsed you for reconsideration based on the attrition.

3) Is there any limit to how soon I can re-apply? I would like to begin the application process ASAP.

Ask your recruiter

4) What's a good guess as to the absolute minimum time it may take to get a class date? I mean from applying, going through boards, getting designator, medical cleared, yada yada, then finally classing up...

You need to see if the recruiter is even willing to reengage before you ask how long it will take. You've already been through the process once an there's no crystal ball and too many variables. Again, without details, how do you expect us to give you specifics or guess when you've been nebulous about your situation? If you aren't willing to share more, you need to pick someone like Wink to contact via PM.

5) Perhaps you know some inside info on this one. I want Pilot (13900) and I've heard the Navy is in need of pilots (as i read in one thread). Is this true? How are quotas looking?

Didn't you just go through the process to get to OCS?

Bottom line: I'm trying to find where I'll be headed from here and I welcome any info that'll help. I hope to get back and join the fleet with you all some time soon.

Thank you all for doing what you do!

Start with the recruiter and go from there.

 

[TreeTooWun]

If you are a recruiter or have any experience in this area by all means let me know.

...you don't know what "attrited" means? That seems a bit odd there, shipmate.

What I meant is that I'm not so sure of the consequences to my future. That's why I made this thread.

I don't pretend to know what the future will hold. I will reapply and, ultimately, the consequences will be what they are. There's just that part of me that would like to fill in some blanks.

I appreciate all of your words and taking the time to post. I hope you understand that it is out of respect for the people who helped me that I don't wish to divulge too many details right now.

Thanks for the good advice heyjoe. Alright well for now I guess I will hurry up and wait. Yes, I just went through the process, but there are a lot of people in the fleet who may know more, or who have caught ear of something regarding demand for pilots, or other designators.

...oh and yes I meant 1390.

 

[DSL1990]

Also, is it true or not that the Coast Guard's source of pilots is exclusively from other branches? DIRTY's post got me thinking of a backup plan just-in-case.

The Coast Guard has a really cool flight guarantee program, which if you qualify for it might be worth investigating if you just want to fly and can't go Navy:
http://www.gocoastguard.com/find-your-fit/officer-opportunities/programs/blue-21-flight-initiative

 

[TreeTooWun]

Wow DSL1990 thank you for the gouge. Reading up on it now, looks like I qualify.

 

[DSL1990]

Wow DSL1990 thank you for the gouge. Reading up on it now, looks like I qualify.

really? wow! i helped somebody!

well get your app in before they change the rules on you! :icon_wink

 

[nugget81]

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Yeah....nice. Good luck in the civilian world.

 

[CaptainRon]

Let's hope your college had the proper demographics.