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OCS Contract with a AFROTC DQ?

Mobious6

New Member
Thank you JCJ for the great post. I actually was looking at that exact Navy site right before you gave me the link and the only thing I could find that was relatively close to being diagnosed with a "learning disability" was this: http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc...de/14 Waiver Guide - Psychiatry - 120215.pdf
and it seems to be concerned with 1. people with current problems and 2. problems such as depression. It makes no reference to ADHD or the like so I'm not even sure if you could call it a reg on that. If the case is that the Navy does not care about ADHD do you think I would be ok even with the AF DQ?
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
1. Seek a waiver for the diagnosis of learning disability - Here is the link to the NAMI waiver guide: http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Pages/AeromedicalReferenceandWaiverGuide.aspx
The relevant information is in the psychiatry section on page 12. It looks like a waiver is possible in the Navy, although the answer you're getting from AFROTC doesn't seem very promising.

NAMI waiver guide comes into play after a person is cleared by N3M for meeting basic entrance standards,
 

Mobious6

New Member
So I found this in a AF reg from 07:
II. Aeromedical Concerns.

Typically, significant problems will become manifest well before an individual is considered as an
applicant for aviation service, and the individual will not be selected for flying duties on the basis of
aptitude or poor performance on other screening tests (such as AFOQT). Thus, there are specific
AF Instructions and AETC procedures for applicants with LD or ADHD (AFI 48-123, A7.24.2.4
and .5). Additionally, it is unlikely that a person with a severe learning disability will be able to
successfully complete rigorous aviation training. Features associated with ADHD in adults could
have a negative impact in the aviation environment, and could cause one to be found unfit for flying
duties. Complaints may come to the attention of the flight surgeon through the reports of spouses,
supervisors, colleagues or other aircrew. A confirmed diagnosis of LD or ADHD is disqualifying
for flying class (FC) II duties. A history of a learning disorder or ADHD is not necessarily
disqualifying. Severity and nature of the disorder should be documented. In addition, psychiatric
diagnoses made during childhood are occasionally found to be unsubstantiated in light of a careful,
accurate history. This is particularly true if the service member has had no symptoms since early
childhood. Stimulant medication such as methylphenidate (Ritalin), dextroamphetamine
(Dexedrine), and pemoline (Cylert), is incompatible with aviation duty.

Add this to what NavyOffRec just dug up: Basiclly ADD/ADHD/LD's are not a DQ if the applicant can demonstrate passing academic performance in the past 12 months with no drug use and or special accomidations.

I know they are slightly out of date but looking at these regs I don't see how I was ever DQ'ed in the first place! I clearly met all the requirements for a LD waiver! I never did drugs and had gone 3 years with no academic help (the best years I have had academically btw) And I was completing flight training the past two years!
 

BackOrdered

Well-Known Member
Contributor
Bad gouge. Clinical psychologists have PhDs or PsyDs, and have a totally different license from an MD. MDs do not do formal testing, and would just send you to a Ph.D. A PhD in academic/experimental psych is a professor who does non-clinical research, which is what you think OP went and saw.

And you are saying that he should have paid a thousand dollars for an IQ test? The OP said he was following the Physicians "lead." My point was did the Physician "refer" him to this PhD, to which the OP gave a negative answer? Who exactly was this doctor and what exactly did he give the OP, because I have had to do similar work to clear a package and never heard of anyone paying a thousand dollars.
 

LFCFan

*Insert nerd wings here*
And you are saying that he should have paid a thousand dollars for an IQ test? The OP said he was following the Physicians "lead." My point was did the Physician "refer" him to this PhD, to which the OP gave a negative answer? Who exactly was this doctor and what exactly did he give the OP, because I have had to do similar work to clear a package and never heard of anyone paying a thousand dollars.

He was probably given a full neuropsych battery, which takes hours and includes an IQ test as well. Those do cost a lot to administer. Due to his history he would have been given one at OCS by an off-base civilian to help clear or NPQ him from aviation, but not on his own dime. It could just be an air force / DODMERB thing to do it so early. In my experience applying to the AF and Navy, they were much more concerned about doing things "up front" (like flight physical before going to OCS and so on) than the Navy.
 

BackOrdered

Well-Known Member
Contributor
He was probably given a full neuropsych battery, which takes hours and includes an IQ test as well. Those do cost a lot to administer. Due to his history he would have been given one at OCS by an off-base civilian to help clear or NPQ him from aviation, but not on his own dime. It could just be an air force / DODMERB thing to do it so early. In my experience applying to the AF and Navy, they were much more concerned about doing things "up front" (like flight physical before going to OCS and so on) than the Navy.

He didn't say that. He said he saw a PhD and was given an IQ test. I answered accordingly with skepticism having been down similar roads. I had to hunt down a Doc from over a decade ago and he wrote me an evaluation and a full letter of recommendation for service that DODMERB accepted and I never spent a dime. I just don't want the OP running around blowing dough if he doesn't have to.
 

LFCFan

*Insert nerd wings here*
He didn't say that. He said he saw a PhD and was given an IQ test. I answered accordingly with skepticism having been down similar roads. I had to hunt down a Doc from over a decade ago and he wrote me an evaluation and a full letter of recommendation for service that DODMERB accepted and I never spent a dime. I just don't want the OP running around blowing dough if he doesn't have to.

You're right, he didn't say that, but most of the time people just think "I got an IQ score, I must have taken just an IQ test" when they didn't do just that. And the doc giving the test would probably have known that a neuropsych battery was appropriate for the situation (even without knowing anything about military or flight medicine). I suspect that is what happened here, because I was also skeptical. He shouldn't spend more money, and frankly the AF should have arranged and paid for the test rather than just tossing him aside. If he is determined and succeeds with the Navy, I'd say it is their loss.
 
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