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Astro,
You sound like someone who gets bent pretty easy if a Candidate LCDR was able to piss you off and rattle your cage. You finished OCS, you know it was all a mind game. I (having come from the streets, yo) yelled at poopies with great enthusiasm because i understood the purpose (by the end), and i won't deny it, it was fun.
The point is, it is all a game, designed to knock you off balance. As a prior i would have expected you to see through the games far faster than a mere civvie puke like me was able to (it took me a while, i really thought i WAS that hosed up for 90% of the time). The most important week in OCS is that first week, and having those candios yell at you, demean you, is important.
I'll agree, some of the DI's were unprofessional, very unprofessional. Sleeping with female candidates is highly unacceptable. I think the majority were upstanding, honorable, and professional. I would follow my DI, and several of the others through hell and back, gladly. I learned more about leadership from them than any class we had. The DI was the best thing to happen to OCS.
The folding of shirts and whatnot, the inspections were also part of the game, but they did serve a purpose. Of course you don't do that crap in the navy, duh, you knew that at the time! The uniform inspections are important because you should know how to wear your uniform (yes, even though so many dump it). The RLP serves several purposes: to indoctrinate you into following precise military instructions, to see if you have the desire to really do it and to teach the most basic concept in military discipline - you don't have to like it, but you do have to do it. I'll admit, i sucked at that RLP crap. I failed my 4th week and barely (by 1 pt) passed my 9th week. But i wanted my commission, so I did it.
What's wrong with the haircuts?! :icon_rage If you're b!tching about this, i think you're in the wrong line of work. See above about "Not having to like it".
I don't remember any aviation classes or lean, but i do remember... Seamanship, Navigation, Damage Control. Yeah, all those were real Aviation-centric. If there is a bunch of a aviation classes now, i stand corrected, but when I went though the only aviation lean was due to my class having so many aviators. Did the flyby during your graduation offend you?
If anything OCS needs more marine influence, more military stuff, more shooting, and less khakis. I don't want to see OCS turn into Airforce OTS and turn out businessmen and accountants, i want to see OCS turn out WARRIORS! We are not, and will never be, Marines, but we don't have to be a bunch of panty-wastes like...well, never mind...
BTW, let me throw a shout out to the AF. You guys do a good job. I just think OTS and AF red lines suck.
Hey, how'd i get on this soapbox?
You sound like someone who gets bent pretty easy if a Candidate LCDR was able to piss you off and rattle your cage. You finished OCS, you know it was all a mind game. I (having come from the streets, yo) yelled at poopies with great enthusiasm because i understood the purpose (by the end), and i won't deny it, it was fun.
The point is, it is all a game, designed to knock you off balance. As a prior i would have expected you to see through the games far faster than a mere civvie puke like me was able to (it took me a while, i really thought i WAS that hosed up for 90% of the time). The most important week in OCS is that first week, and having those candios yell at you, demean you, is important.
I'll agree, some of the DI's were unprofessional, very unprofessional. Sleeping with female candidates is highly unacceptable. I think the majority were upstanding, honorable, and professional. I would follow my DI, and several of the others through hell and back, gladly. I learned more about leadership from them than any class we had. The DI was the best thing to happen to OCS.
The folding of shirts and whatnot, the inspections were also part of the game, but they did serve a purpose. Of course you don't do that crap in the navy, duh, you knew that at the time! The uniform inspections are important because you should know how to wear your uniform (yes, even though so many dump it). The RLP serves several purposes: to indoctrinate you into following precise military instructions, to see if you have the desire to really do it and to teach the most basic concept in military discipline - you don't have to like it, but you do have to do it. I'll admit, i sucked at that RLP crap. I failed my 4th week and barely (by 1 pt) passed my 9th week. But i wanted my commission, so I did it.
What's wrong with the haircuts?! :icon_rage If you're b!tching about this, i think you're in the wrong line of work. See above about "Not having to like it".
I don't remember any aviation classes or lean, but i do remember... Seamanship, Navigation, Damage Control. Yeah, all those were real Aviation-centric. If there is a bunch of a aviation classes now, i stand corrected, but when I went though the only aviation lean was due to my class having so many aviators. Did the flyby during your graduation offend you?
If anything OCS needs more marine influence, more military stuff, more shooting, and less khakis. I don't want to see OCS turn into Airforce OTS and turn out businessmen and accountants, i want to see OCS turn out WARRIORS! We are not, and will never be, Marines, but we don't have to be a bunch of panty-wastes like...well, never mind...
BTW, let me throw a shout out to the AF. You guys do a good job. I just think OTS and AF red lines suck.
Hey, how'd i get on this soapbox?
astrov99
NOT a flyboy
If you want more Marine influence, more ground-pounding hooyah, more shooting, and less khaki, go to Marine OCS. The only Khaki they have to wear is the shirt on their Charlie uniforms.
As far as the haircuts go, here's the US Navy uniform regs regarding hair.
1. HAIR
a. Men. Keep hair neat, clean and well groomed. Hair above the ears and around the neck shall be tapered from the lower natural hairline upwards at least 3/4 inch and outward not greater than 3/4 inch to blend with hair*style. Hair on the back of the neck must not touch the collar. Hair shall be no longer than four inches and may not touch the ears, collar, extend below eyebrows when headgear is removed, show under front edge of headgear, or interfere with properly wearing military headgear. The bulk of the hair shall not exceed approximately two inches. Bulk is defined as the distance that the mass of hair protrudes from the scalp. Hair coloring must look natural and complement the individual. Faddish styles and outrageous multicolored hair are not authorized. The unique quality and texture of curled, kinked, waved, and straight hair are recognized, and in some cases the 3/4 inch taper at the back of the neck may be difficult to attain. In those cases hair must present a graduated appearance and may combine the taper with a line at the back of the neck. One (cut, clipped or shaved) natural, narrow, fore and aft part is authorized. Varying hairstyles, including afro, are permitted if these styles meet the criteria of maximum length and bulk, tapered neck and sides, and do not interfere with properly wearing military headgear. Plaited or braided hair shall not be worn while in uniform or in a duty status. Keep sideburns neatly trimmed and tailored in the same manner as the haircut. Sideburns shall not extend below a point level with the middle of the ear, shall be of even width (not flared) and shall end with a clean shaven horizontal line. <Figure 2‑2‑1> refers. "Muttonchops", "ship's cap*tain", or similar grooming modes are not authorized.
Not the "gradual tapered" appearance. A high and tight is out of Navy regs, as funny as that sounds. The reason being because of the "line" that seperates the very short sides from the not-as-short top. NOT that I care about this, I would never tell someone with a high and tight that it is not a professional looking, or decent looking haircut, because it is. What I just find strangely ironic is that OCS instills within you that the haircut they give you there is the quentissential "Navy cut", and it's not even within regs. Sideburns were also considered a no-no at OCS. Look at the regs. Hmmm, funny. It even addresses sideburns.
But back to the original subject of this thread...
I came across an article in the P-cola News Journal last week where they were addressing the BRAC realignment. Apparantly Pensacola stands to lose about 1300 civilian jobs, which the community isn't very happy about. BUT, they did state that of all of the components being considered for realignment/closure that they felt they had the best chance of "saving" OTC. We'll see what happens. But optomism is one thing, reality is something entirely different.
As far as the haircuts go, here's the US Navy uniform regs regarding hair.
1. HAIR
a. Men. Keep hair neat, clean and well groomed. Hair above the ears and around the neck shall be tapered from the lower natural hairline upwards at least 3/4 inch and outward not greater than 3/4 inch to blend with hair*style. Hair on the back of the neck must not touch the collar. Hair shall be no longer than four inches and may not touch the ears, collar, extend below eyebrows when headgear is removed, show under front edge of headgear, or interfere with properly wearing military headgear. The bulk of the hair shall not exceed approximately two inches. Bulk is defined as the distance that the mass of hair protrudes from the scalp. Hair coloring must look natural and complement the individual. Faddish styles and outrageous multicolored hair are not authorized. The unique quality and texture of curled, kinked, waved, and straight hair are recognized, and in some cases the 3/4 inch taper at the back of the neck may be difficult to attain. In those cases hair must present a graduated appearance and may combine the taper with a line at the back of the neck. One (cut, clipped or shaved) natural, narrow, fore and aft part is authorized. Varying hairstyles, including afro, are permitted if these styles meet the criteria of maximum length and bulk, tapered neck and sides, and do not interfere with properly wearing military headgear. Plaited or braided hair shall not be worn while in uniform or in a duty status. Keep sideburns neatly trimmed and tailored in the same manner as the haircut. Sideburns shall not extend below a point level with the middle of the ear, shall be of even width (not flared) and shall end with a clean shaven horizontal line. <Figure 2‑2‑1> refers. "Muttonchops", "ship's cap*tain", or similar grooming modes are not authorized.
Not the "gradual tapered" appearance. A high and tight is out of Navy regs, as funny as that sounds. The reason being because of the "line" that seperates the very short sides from the not-as-short top. NOT that I care about this, I would never tell someone with a high and tight that it is not a professional looking, or decent looking haircut, because it is. What I just find strangely ironic is that OCS instills within you that the haircut they give you there is the quentissential "Navy cut", and it's not even within regs. Sideburns were also considered a no-no at OCS. Look at the regs. Hmmm, funny. It even addresses sideburns.
But back to the original subject of this thread...
I came across an article in the P-cola News Journal last week where they were addressing the BRAC realignment. Apparantly Pensacola stands to lose about 1300 civilian jobs, which the community isn't very happy about. BUT, they did state that of all of the components being considered for realignment/closure that they felt they had the best chance of "saving" OTC. We'll see what happens. But optomism is one thing, reality is something entirely different.
astrov99 said:
I just had to chime in on this statement. I am not faulting/attacking you at all since you have not see any other communities. I am currently assigned to an office of primarily submariners, in fact I am the sole aviator in the office (please save me). The attitudes and the environment that they exhibit is far from being one of the most relaxed in the Navy. Aviation is by far much more laid back and relaxed than the submarine force, and through personal observation I would say Spec War is even more relaxed than us.
With all that being said, yeah sure all that OCS/boot camp sort of stuff (intense uniform/room inspections, yelling, etc.) is a bunch of BS, but it is absolutely vital. It is what teaches everyone in the military to be military like. Without everyone going through it all military members would not have a similar understanding of the basic requirements of being in the military (i.e. discipline, wearing a uniform, respect, military courtesies, etc.)
DI's Rule! I would not know even half of the one-liners I know now if it weren't for them! There were several times I was face down in the Rose garden or SUYA laughing my ass off (silently of course). OKAY I wasn't really laughing at the time. But after graduating and the year and a half I have been back in the fleet and when I run into some of the people who I was at OCS with (because you will), we all can't help but bust up at some of the stuff. It was great, and continues to be for camaradere. Seriously though, I think it is the discipline, PT, and ass-beatings that made OCS so unique and whether you know it or not, make you so unique as a naval officer and sets you apart from other commisioning sources.
Oh and by the way, I don't know anything about OCS moving to Newport, nor do I have any comment whatsoever on that issue.
Oh and by the way, I don't know anything about OCS moving to Newport, nor do I have any comment whatsoever on that issue.
You ever had the experience of reading something and just not even knowing where to start because it's so ridiculous? It happens sometimes when I'm dealing with my five-year old son.
For anyone who is going to OCS, it's not hard. If you have a personality conflict with your DI, simply remove the chip from your shoulder and you should be fine. It's a game. Follow the rules, lay low, and graduate. Other than during inspections, I was never singled out by a DI because I just played the game. My DI didn't even know my name until week eight (and I was front row middle during drill).
For anyone who is going to OCS, it's not hard. If you have a personality conflict with your DI, simply remove the chip from your shoulder and you should be fine. It's a game. Follow the rules, lay low, and graduate. Other than during inspections, I was never singled out by a DI because I just played the game. My DI didn't even know my name until week eight (and I was front row middle during drill).
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