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OCS to Newport

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SteveG75

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lthackston said:
Not true, not true. Also in Pensacola is Limited Duty Officer Schools, Chief Warrant Officer Schools, and the Direct Commissioning courses. I believe that integrating these four schools with everything that is already in RI will make things too crowded. In Pesacola they all do a decent enough job of staying out of each other's way. This is especially true for the OCSers; though they take up the most space, they hardly see the other types of officers in training. When you throw in the rest of the schools, it seems that a lot more space-sharing will be required and it will be more difficult to focus on the desired type of training for each commissioning source. Of course, I haven't been to the RI installation so I have no idea how many empty buildings there are just sitting around. There could be plety of room.
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The recommendation is for OCS, LDO School, CWO school and the Direct Commissioning courses to come to Newport.

Being at Newport right now, I can tell you there is more than enough space.

The goal would be to consolidate all non-ROTC/USNA programs. Aviation related stuff stays at P'Cola. So, when you get your OCS commission, you are just like a ROTC or TBS bubba heading to P'Cola for API.

BTW, I am at the one command recommended to leave Newport and go to Norfolk. :(
 
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etnuclearsailor

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BOOST, NSI and NAPS are in Newport. NSI is an NROTC program used by STA 21 and the ROTC college programmers. Will the move these somewhere else? Both NAPS and NSI live in Nimitz Hall (a building which probably deserves to be condemned).
I guess OCS would live with OIS in King Hall, since much of that building goes unoccupied at any given time. I forsee some confusion with DI's yelling at STA 21 O/C' because we look like OCS O/C's.

And of course we should ALL be grateful for the opportunity to do push ups and crunches in animal feces to improve our physical health.
 
A4sForever

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Hmmmm .... let's see, now. Do I have this right ...???


OCS to Newport, NROTC/USNA continue to function as they have for generations, and all aviation-related "stuff" goes to Pensacola ...... and who knows!!! Maybe someday someone will start a new aviation program and call it ..... hmmmmmmm .... what would they call it ..... maybe AOCS .???

I love it !!! Can anyone say ..........
 
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lthackston

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*If* it gets approved, the move still won't happen for a few years. Didn't the document have projections of budgetary and environmental impact for 2007-2009 or something like that? So, if you're going to OCS anytime soon, you'll still be going to P'cola.
 
KimberlyD

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OCS is the one command that Newport is ready to receive, they started prepping for the move following the hurricanes so they could be moved by 2007.
 
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If they move OCS back to Newport I owuld really hate to see them also go back to the old Newport OCS program. OCS for non aviators got consideraly better when it combined with AOCS and they picked up the USMC DIs, among other things.
 
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ip568

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WHAT?? No more O Course and C Course in the 115 degree, ankle-deep Florida sand?? It's an outrage! Next thing you know, they'll be letting women into naval aviation...!
 
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ip568

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How would such a move benefit the Navy? After graduation, all flying officers would have to be paid to move to Florida.
 
SteveG75

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ip568 said:
WHAT?? No more O Course and C Course in the 115 degree, ankle-deep Florida sand?? It's an outrage! Next thing you know, they'll be letting women into naval aviation...!
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What O course and C course? They haven't run those in years. Some poor little candidate might get hurt. Heck, when I had to go back to Correy in '96, they had a cargo net over the short wall for the "young ladies". :icon_rage
 
SteveG75

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ip568 said:
How would such a move benefit the Navy? After graduation, all flying officers would have to be paid to move to Florida.
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Yeah, they'll have to move just like every USNA and ROTC puke. Aviators are a small percentage of OCS now and think of the dollar's they will save not moving the SUPPO's since their school is probably coming to Newport.
 
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You are kidding me. There is no "O" or "C" Course at OCS any more? What do you pansies do, just run around the block? Do you run on the beach in the soft sand or through the woods?
 
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USN99

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I assume that everyone knows that OCS used to be in Newport; back when the Navy was large enough for both OCS in Newport and AOCS in P'cola. ;)

Moving something (OCS) back to the North East in this BRAC after recommending to close the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard and downgrade NAS Brunswick and close the SubBase at Groton,is not much but it does demonstrate that the Navy is not totally abandoning the North East just mostly abandoning the North East. :eek:

Nonetheless, I was a bit puzzled why OCS would be moved. Does it have to do with relieving the pressure on NAS P'cola as it recovers from the hurricane? Conversely, is there some need to use the infrastructure left available from the departure of OCS from P'cola for an increase in Naval Aviation Training through-put, i.e., more "multi-service" flight students, like all of USAF Under-Grad Navigator training being consolidated with all NFO training in P'cola?

Does anyone have any insight?

BRACs may take a full six years but the Military Departments are not compelled to use the full six years. I would expect that as soon as the facilities at Newport are ready, OCS will start making the transition there.
 
astrov99

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It's all $$$ for the DoD. Consolidation saves money. It's cheaper to maintain one facility then it is to maintain two. Case-in-point is boot-camp. There used to be many Navy boot camps, then there were two: Great Lakes and San Diego. Now there is one.

All Officer Training will probably follow suit. It doesn't matter alot of the time (unfortunately) if two facilities do the job better than one. This is a game of $'s and cents, and to the BRAC committee if moving OTC to Newport could save the Navy millions in years to come, that's what they are going to go with.

So yeah, through logic and sentimentality aside. These decisions are pure business. It is about saving money. And yes, there are political and demographic considerations as well. But as far as quality and efficiency? Nope, that's got nutin' to do with it. Welcome to the Federal Government. Enjoy your stay.
 
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