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TrunkMonkey

Spy Navy
Civilian contractors sometimes get a bad rap, but there are people deployed here doing every job imaginable. Everything from intel analyst/security specialist, to firefighters, ATC guys, convoy security.... right down to food servers, "vector control" (killing rats), and cleaning the shitters. Many of them work for KBR, some got here through various defense contractors. But, if you are interested in serving in the sandbox in some capacity, there are plenty of civilian jobs, many of which make more $$$ than the military guys.
 

schwarti

Active Member
Contributor
You know being a Park Ranger probably wouldn't be a bad gig especially if you got to be in a place like Yosemite.

Best job I've had so far. :D Esp. with a history degree, there are a LOT of historical parks (like my one) that will want you. The natural ones (Yosemite, etc.) won't care as much about your degree. Best part? You can work anywhere in the country at some of the most incredible places the US has to offer, and you get to do all of the things that visitors can't do.
 

skim

Teaching MIDN how to drift a BB
None
Contributor
You know being a Park Ranger probably wouldn't be a bad gig especially if you got to be in a place like Yosemite.

Just stay away from Jellystone. Those bears are smarter than the average bear...

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DangerousDan

I could tell you but I would have to kill you
Intelligence agencies are hiring, and they like History majors for some jobs. Just be forewarned though, it sometimes takes a long time to go through the hiring process, it averages 9 months for new employees at the CIA and would be similar for other agencies due to security clearances. Another thing to be aware of, the vast majority of jobs are in the DC area with all of the good and bad associated. Here are some links on the Intelligence Community and all its members:

http://www.intelligence.gov/index.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Community

The agencies that you would want to look at are the service intel agencies (smaller), the CIA and the DIA (bigger). They are the ones that have analysts and would more likely want a History major.

You obviously would want to look at the entry level jobs, if they ask for the 'grade' or GS/GG level during a search, put in GG/GS-7 through 10. GG/GS-8 is roughly equivalent to an O-1 in the military. Most jobs are posted here:

http://www.usajobs.gov/

If you have any more particular questions, PM me. Good luck!


Hahaha dont you know that USA Jobs is a Blackhole... What goes in there disappears into the either.

Besides what about the hiring process from those of us with clearances and background checks provided by the navy? Funny because I got a rejection letter from DIA for an "entry level job"
 

skim

Teaching MIDN how to drift a BB
None
Contributor
Man I miss that show. I love the older seasons

"wheres my juice peg??"
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Hahaha dont you know that USA Jobs is a Blackhole... What goes in there disappears into the either.

Besides what about the hiring process from those of us with clearances and background checks provided by the navy? Funny because I got a rejection letter from DIA for an "entry level job"

For almost all three letter agencies there is little, if any, official extra credit given to an applicant because they have a security clearance. I know that mgiht defy logic but that is the case. It will be a big unofficial plus, but it often holds much less weight than you think.

Like with the Navy, persistance is key. Keep applying on teh jobs, especially through the agency sites themselves. Some even have had agency only job fairs where tehy can offer jobs on the spot, check the agency websites for any job fairs that they hold.

Finally, it is good to know someone, just like anywhere else. ;)
 

puck_11

Growler LSO
pilot
I had a history of asthma, do a search for it and you'll see that it is fully waiverable. Don't let that stop you from applying.
 

DangerousDan

I could tell you but I would have to kill you
For almost all three letter agencies there is little, if any, official extra credit given to an applicant because they have a security clearance. I know that mgiht defy logic but that is the case. It will be a big unofficial plus, but it often holds much less weight than you think.

Like with the Navy, persistance is key. Keep applying on teh jobs, especially through the agency sites themselves. Some even have had agency only job fairs where tehy can offer jobs on the spot, check the agency websites for any job fairs that they hold.

Finally, it is good to know someone, just like anywhere else. ;)

Good Advice. Though I think I want to go finish my expected mandatory mobilization first before I go plant myself in DC. On a side note itll make it easy to get some experience.
 

Alpha_Echo_606

Does not play well with others!™
Contributor
You could always get your A & P (Airframe Power Plant) license and become a Defense Contractor working on military aircraft. I know several companies looking for good mechanics and avionics personal.
 

LittleAl

New Member
Ok, so I've spent a few hours digging through usajobs.Holy shit, I never knew the Air Force hired so many accountants.

At the moment, I'd prefer avoid a desk job. I'd like to get out on the ground and get some experience. And I want something which will transfer to later work in government or the military. A lot of the cool Intelligence stuff seems to want serious experience (I have some sort of cool business and administrative experience but nothing in law enforcement). The entry level CIA jobs supposedly want to see good grades, which I can not supply. I'd be interested in getting into some tech work, but I don't have any background in it. I looked for Iraq jobs, but they seemed to be mostly higher level stuff. Oddly, the only ones which might be within reach (GS9) required SCI clearance. Plus I'd have to talk pretty fast to convince them that my academic research counted as security experience.

It seems like the thing to do is jump in somewhere relatively low level - it looks the best shots are in Border Patrol, Forest Ranger, Police Officer, things like that. I figure I can try to get one of those jobs, then maybe jump into something else after a year or two? Do you have a sense of what that career transition is like? Is it easy to jump between agencies as you go on? Any other ideas for positions which would be a good start?

There's a lot of openings in Germany. I speak a little German and am currently living in Poland, but could take a job in DE pretty fast. I can't tell what the hiring procedure here is though - like, there are several Ramstein AFB career fairs listed in DC, but no jobs listed at Ramstein! I think living on a military base in Germany would be interesting but I don't know how valuable it would be on a resume.

One really cool looking thing I found is Department of the Navy Criminal Investigator. I worry a little about the Top Secret security clearance though. I don't have a criminal past or anything, but I've had sort of a weird life. I'm not sure what they'll make of the vegetarian communist pot smoking housing cooperative where I used to live. I also did some therapy off and on in College, lived in Beijing for a couple months, and so forth.

Thanks for taking the time to give me advice all. It was very helpful, its sort of an intimidating thing, and I'm sort of bummed about not being able to enlist normally. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. This was a helluva lot better than most advice I've gotten on web forums.

Best,

Alex

PS - I am going to try to get a metacholine test done when I get back to the states, but I'm not optimistic. I think they'll tell me I have asthma but I just don't notice it because its so mild. And I don't think there's any waiver you can get there.
 
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