Packin' heat

[Fly Navy]

They tend to run about as much as an actual standalone .22 pistol will cost. Though they are neat for training with the feel of your duty/carry weapon.

SIG, H&K, Glock, Colt, S&W revolvers, Ruger, Walther, they all make fine weapons.

 

[feddoc]

Stopping power is a fallacy when it comes to nearly equal rounds, such as 9mm, .45, and .40. They are all about equal when it comes to good quality JHPs. People tend to use the term as an extension of hollywood, i.e. a .45 to the arm will knock a guy down because it has more stopping power. It's total crap. Now if you compare say a .40 to a .22, well then yeah, it makes more sense to talk about stopping power.

Not sure if the Pistol Parlor is still open. I've done my shopping at Mike's on Route 29. Overpriced as heck though.

I suppose you and I disagree about the above, although not as much as I first thought. Shot placement is critical, to me that is a given. However, they are not all about equal when considering penetration. A projectile must penetrate at least 12 inches of tissue to reach something vital. One must also consider that the projectile might have to contend with thick clothing, layered clothing, a wrist, arm, etc. and still reach something vital. Addtionally, the cavity of a hollow point will clog up with same and will become much less effective.

Penetration is king when it comes to making a permanent destructive wound cavity vice a temporary wound cavity.

Go here for more info.

http://www.rkba.org/research/fackler/wrong.html

http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

 

[Fly Navy]

I suppose you and I disagree about the above, although not as much as I first thought. Shot placement is critical, to me that is a given. However, they are not all about equal when considering penetration. A projectile must penetrate at least 12 inches of tissue to reach something vital. One must also consider that the projectile might have to contend with thick clothing, layered clothing, a wrist, arm, etc. and still reach something vital. Addtionally, the cavity of a hollow point will clog up with same and will become much less effective.

Penetration is king when it comes to making a permanent destructive wound cavity vice a temporary wound cavity.

Go here for more info.

http://www.rkba.org/research/fackler/wrong.html

http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

I agree. I just don't like to knock around the term "stopping power" because I believe it to be misleading. When you factor in psychological and physiological factors (mental state, drugs, etc), things get blurry. Obviously one must use a slug with enough energy to effectively transfer to the body, hence why rifles are so much better at "stopping". I just think shot placement should be first to be stressed, then shot energy. I think you and I are on the same level, just think of things a little differently.

 

[feddoc]

Yup,

Could be that you and I are just wording it differently.

Penetration, won't mean much if you aren't hitting the target.

 

[VetteMuscle427]

Has anyone seen the conversion kits for a 1911 .45 to be turned into a .22? How much do those usually run?

What other guns are nice?

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...nt=0&cmCat=srchdx&cm_ven=srchdx&cm_ite=srchdx

 

[jg5343]

I suppose you and I disagree about the above, although not as much as I first thought. Shot placement is critical, to me that is a given. However, they are not all about equal when considering penetration. A projectile must penetrate at least 12 inches of tissue to reach something vital. One must also consider that the projectile might have to contend with thick clothing, layered clothing, a wrist, arm, etc. and still reach something vital. Addtionally, the cavity of a hollow point will clog up with same and will become much less effective.

Penetration is king when it comes to making a permanent destructive wound cavity vice a temporary wound cavity.

Go here for more info.

http://www.rkba.org/research/fackler/wrong.html

http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

12 inches? Not sure how big you are, but thats a good 3 inches out the back of my torso if hit in the chest. What do you mean?

 

[feddoc]

12 inches is about the distance from my sternum to my spine. Through an arm to the center of the chest is about 12 inches.

Also, if you follow the links, 12" of penetration seems to be standard.

FWIW, I wear a 48 jacket.

 

[Fly Navy]

If I recall, the elasticity of skin can equal about 3" if the slug doesn't have the energy to exit the body.

 

[FlyingDoc]

Fly Navy: I have heard something to that effect too. That is why some bullet ricochet <sp?> instead of exiting the body.

 

[Fly Navy]

12 inches is about the distance from my sternum to my spine. Through an arm to the center of the chest is about 12 inches.

Also, if you follow the links, 12" of penetration seems to be standard.

FWIW, I wear a 48 jacket.

What he said.

Also, the body is not of uniform density. Most penetration tests are on ballistic gelatin. They try to pick an average density of the body and design the gelatin to match it, but it just doesn't work out quite right.

The interesting tests are on sides of beef...