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PLC air question

Lonestar155

is good to go
I was just looking over the plc application. You can either sign up for an air or ground contract. With regards to PLC can you sign up for a specific slot, for example SNA or NFO or is it just air in general? How does that process work if you cannot sign up for a specific air contract?
 

Slammer2

SNFO Advanced, VT-86 T-39G/N
Contributor
yes you sign up for Pilot or NFO. Both are considered air contracts but you have to get selected as either a pilot or nfo contract.
 

Slammer2

SNFO Advanced, VT-86 T-39G/N
Contributor
your three catagories are ground, air, or law. Ground consists of pretty much all the ground jobs there are in the marine corps (your specific one to be determined at TBS) and Air contract consists of both pilot and Nfo. But yo uactually have to contract as either a pilot or an NFO.
 

ArkhamAsylum

500+ Posts
pilot
The contract isn't just a gimme, and you can get DQ'd at any time. If flying is what you REALLY want to do, you might have more luck with one of the other branches.
 

Lonestar155

is good to go
Ya im figuring there is some sort of catch with PLC. As I research the PLC it seems that many people do not make it to their dream. Injuries seem to prevent people from making it through. Therefore many are forced to transfer from air to ground. This will not stop me from applying. I have huge dreams of making it as a Naval Aviator in the Marines. Its been a calling. As far as looking at other branches, I dont not think it will happen. I love the types of missions the marines perform such as FAC and CAS support missions. I love the way they run shop there. So I will give it my all to make it through the program. Im too motivated to stop. Would many of you consider this a myth about the whole catch with PLC?
 

scotty008

Back at last
pilot
While many don't make it, there are quite a few that manage to get through. If its what you want to do, go for it. The type of injuries you're likely to get at OCS/TBS rarely result in disqualification/redesignation. If you get hurt pre-commissioning, they will probably send you home altogether. You can apply to return later and come back the next summer. Its usually the things that come up after PLC/OCS that can get you switched from Air to Ground. This could be physical, such as a NOMI issue or a stick in the eye during night land nav, or an academic issue (failing IFS, API, Primary, etc). Yes, people do occasionally have to switch, but the number that make it to Pensacola is far greater than those who end up in some other MOS.

*no, I don't consider PLC a catch at all. You know going in that the promise of a flight contract is dependent on you maintaining certain physical and academic standards. The Marine Corps isn't trying to trick you and force you into a ground mos. They want you to succeed and get your wings, just as much as they want the ground guys to do well and move onto the fleet.
 

usmcecho4

Registered User
pilot
The contract isn't just a gimme, and you can get DQ'd at any time. If flying is what you REALLY want to do, you might have more luck with one of the other branches.

Don't listen to haters like this. You can be DQ'd from anything air, ground, civilian school, air force, navy, etc. If you want to fly a guaranteed flight contract from the Marines is a great way to go. The overwhelming majority of flight contracts that don't quit of there own volition will make it through the program. Your greatest enemy is a DOR not an ATRITE or injury.

Semper Fi,
usmcecho4
 
Look man, If you want it bad enought and the good lord wills it, you will make it. If its in your contract, you are going to flight school unless you get injured to where you cant. Im a naval aviator contract and I just got back from PLC jr. It is up to you to make it throught flight school although. And if you dont make it, id still rather be a Marine than any of the other nasty branches (no offense to the Navy guys).
 

ArkhamAsylum

500+ Posts
pilot
Don't listen to haters like this.

Not a hater; I just enjoy squashing dreams. I'll tell you a secret: there's no tooth fairy.
But really, I've seen quite a few fallen dreams (mostly guys getting not getting their first choice at MOS or airframe selection). It's always better to know going in what the downfalls might be.
 

GT Propjock

Registered User
The contract isn't just a gimme, and you can get DQ'd at any time. If flying is what you REALLY want to do, you might have more luck with one of the other branches.

Perhaps the proper phrase is if flying is all you want to do. Having been around recruiting, you will stand a better chance to get into flying through the Marine Corps than any other service. ;)

But, AA is correct in that flying isn't simply that and a bag of chips, you will have many other tasks to include a ground job :eek: that may preclude you from flying as much as you like (much like the AMO I worked for, his flight time was cut short due to the necessity to take care of his Marines, but of all the Majors in my squadron, he was still the #1 guy, even though he didn't fly as much)

So, be sure you know about everything that goes along with the flying job, and be ready for it.
 

deeregirl

New Member
I graduated with the PLC program but since I’m a female I graduated with OCC-189 because there are so few females to fill more than one platoon. Im also on an air contract and newly commissioned. Since this process began no “wool has been pulled over my eyes” so you should be fine. Theres no catch if you work hard for your dreams.
 

Lonestar155

is good to go
That is very encouraging to hear! Well thats what I love about the Marines. I understand that you have many other duties and obligations aside from flying. I read that you are required to spend one year doing other duties, such as FAC. I definitly want to join a branch where I feel like a well rounded soldier. Anyone have any specific duties, while being a pilot, that they can elaborate on?
 

GT Propjock

Registered User
That is very encouraging to hear! Well thats what I love about the Marines. I understand that you have many other duties and obligations aside from flying. I read that you are required to spend one year doing other duties, such as FAC. I definitly want to join a branch where I feel like a well rounded soldier. Anyone have any specific duties, while being a pilot, that they can elaborate on?

If you ever address a Marine as a soldier, or refer to yourself as one, I would say stand-by, b/c you will catch a great deal of flak for that. That being said, the point is understood.

Many tasks you can be assigned while a pilot. I was a Flight Duty Officer (FDO), and also worked as the Asst. Aircraft Maint. Officer (AAMO) while at the FRS. Understand that FRS ground jobs are likely not as similar to Fleet jobs (anyone with a better view would be greatly appreciated), but we held them at any rate.

As an FDO, we scheduled flights, tracked flight hours, arranged for X-ctry flights, coordianted refueler missions, coordinated and tracked flight training events, and tracked A/C utilitzation rates. We also coordinated with ground training to complete their requirements. In short, our FDOs created the schedules, and most of the Operations for the squadron.

As the AAMO, I was the Division OIC (and this is not the normal case by any means, but this is what happened as we geared toward shutting down) for all the maintenance divisions (Powerline, Airframes, Avionics, Safety & Survival, Flight equipment, the Tool Room, and Quality Assurance). I personally had a blast working in Maintenance, when I started downstairs, I had a little more than 100 Marines that worked for me, and had about 50 when the squadron closed its doors. I was responsible to my Capt (who was the AMO) then to the CO on all matters pertaining to our aircraft readiness, and maintenance conditions. I was also responisible for taking care of all of my Marines, getting them set on orders, training that was required before they PCS'd, writing FITREPs for those that required them, (I was responsible for writing over 25 FITREPs for my first time having to write them, which was daunting to me, but my Capt. helped to teach me what I need to do and showed me a few good references to look at) I was responsible for the discipline of my Marines, and I had 1 Marine NJP'd in the time I spent in Maintenance. I had to work with and coordinate with MALS on our aircraft material condition and supply/maintenance requests. It was a lot of work for a Lt who is not a 6002 and has no clue about what he is doing, but I had a good time none-the-less and learned a great deal from my boss and the Marines that worked for me, and thanks to some good word from my boss to the CO, I am going to get to go to Maintenance school in the process of heading out to Okinawa, and hopefully get to go back down to Maintenance when I get there, but I have heard that Maintenance is generally reserved for senior Co-pilots, and Aircraft commander types, so who knows.

That is my experiance from a Lt's POV, so take it for what you can use. I would imagine that the senior guys here can give you a better look at what you can expect in the long run.:cool:
 

Cobra Commander

Awesome Bill from Dawsonville
pilot
...and Air contract consists of both pilot and Nfo. But yo uactually have to contract as either a pilot or an NFO.


When I talked to my OSO and found out that I was awarded a flight contract he never said whether it was for pilot or NFO. When I did the app it was for pilot so I assume that the contract was for pilot. I haven't had to sign any more paperwork which after the fact seemed sort of strange. The last time I was at his office he just told me to get ready for ocs this summer. Is this normal or should I give him a call and ask him. I don't want to sound like a suspicious jack ass because I really appreciate having this opportunity and I really think he's a great guy, but at the same time I would like to make sure everything is ready to go. Plus my parents are freaking out because they think I'm going to get sent to Iraq with the infantry. Any advice?
 
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